Warped Roof
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Thread posted by Mark Askew
Hi Folk
I have a 2013 Triton 430, had it from new and bought from Automotive Leisure, last service it was noted that the roof was not sealing correctly. Both the rear and front end have gaps between the seal and the roof. The dealer (Lowdhams) said that the roof was warped and needed replacing. They tried to claim from Hymer, requesting a new roof. Hymer responded that this was not necessary and advised that the seal should be removed and the roof trimmed to fit the gaps and the seal replaced. However, they were not prepared to cover this under warranty as the van was more than two years old, unless there was water ingress. There is ingress when the van is driven in the rain but I can't prove that to Hymer. I would appreciate the thoughts and comments of you experienced Eriba folk.
Thanks
1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
I have a 2013 Troll.
The roof was replaced under warranty by AL.
I was unaware of a problem but was informed that the roof needed replacing when the Troll was being serviced.
I was led to believe that the roof had been incorrectly stored before fitting.
The internal board of the new roof is one piece whereas the old one was 3 separate pieces.
TonyP
Troll gently nudging up against Galaxy.
RE: Warped Roof
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:52 amby Randa france • | 13.285 Posts
Hi Mark and welcome to Eribafolk.
I'm no expert so perhaps others can back me up here but I'm sure I've read somewhere that the pop top roof doesn't seal down to the main roof of the van and that the large black "gasket" around the underside of the pop top is not designed as a seal. It certainly doesn't look as though it is.
I think I'm correct in saying that when Tony (Frantone) had the fact that his roof was warped pointed out to him he was more surprised than the dealer. There was no sign of water ingress. Am I right Tony?
What I'm trying to say is, although you have had the fact that your roof is warped pointed out to you, is that the reason for your water ingress?
Randa
1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
I would be surprised if that was the case, I'm assuming that the gasket is designed to seal the roof, otherwise water is very likely to get in particularly when towing in heavy rain? Never had a problem until these gaps appeared.
RE: Warped Roof
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:52 amby Randa france • | 13.285 Posts
Hi Mark, this is where I read it. Pop top seal
As I said, I'm no expert so it'll be interesting to see what others say.
Randa
1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
There were no obvious gaps anywhere around our roof. I think the problem was about the roof surface.
On our previous Eriba, a 2008 Triton from Eriba UK, there were large gaps between the seal and the roof along the sides, these should have been reduced by trimming the front and back edges of fibreglass pop top. However there was never any ingress presumably because of the upstand around the interior roof hole.
Troll gently nudging up against Galaxy.
RE: Warped Roof
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:48 amby Randa france • | 13.285 Posts
Hi Tony. Do I remember you saying that the batch of 2013 roofs that were warped were already misshapen before they were fitted because of a storage problem at the factory? By that I assume that there is no further warping after fitting?
I also seem to remember a post on here that indicated that the front roof shutting toggles on some new Eribas weren't fit for purpose causing the roof to "smile" when being towed.
Randa
1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
Well it was all very vague at the time. Jason ordered the roof to be replaced but had left before the work was done. I just remember being told that the roofs had been stored badly before construction.
The front roof clamps now have to be screwed down to secure the roof during transit. Apparently the new shape is aerodynamically predisposed to fly! This was never an issue with the previous generation of Eribas. In our Troll both of us have trouble pulling the clamps down to release or locate them.
TonyP
Troll gently nudging up against Galaxy.
RE: Warped Roof
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:36 amby Poptop320 • | 2.634 Posts
I met a fellow Eriba owner a couple of years ago who had bought a 2013 Triton new from AL, his roof was also warped, his problem became evident when it rained, the water would pool on the roof and then eventually the roof would tip with the weight releasing the water onto the lower roof. At the time he was having an on going discussion with AL to get it resolved, he proved the problem with a straight piece of wood going across the roof, their was a dip that allowed the water to pool.
It may be worth contacting AL to see if they can elaborate further on the roof problem. You can also find threads on another Eriba forum for a 2013 Triton with a "bowed" roof that was replaced under warranty so yours is not an isolated case. Even though your two year bodywork and electrical/mechanical warranty has finished I would think you have a good case for Hymer to investigate further for you if they have been replacing them under warranty, and you have evidence from the various Eriba forums.
When I go on holiday I like to pop my top!
Thanks for the comments so far. I think it could be worth a call to AL next week to see what they say.
RE: Warped Roof
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:05 pmby eribaMotters • | 5.602 Posts
Mark,
two points after scanning though the thread.
Firstly I have never thought of the black trim as a seal, at least I do not believe it has acted as one in my eriba ownership since 2003. I believed it was there to tidy up the rough edge of the GRP roof. Anything normally dripping off the pop top would have to travel back and up a short vertical rise to make it into the van. As regards Hymer refusing to repair/replace the pop top as it is falling out of warranty, this should not be the case. It falls under "fitness for purpose" which suprisingly has no time limitation. If the dip in the pop-top was known about and it can be seen not to have happened after purchase, then the part is at fault and not fit for the purpose it is intended to perform.
Colin
eribaless at present, 4th eriba, a 2017 430 on order.
Thanks Colin, that's a good point. I have looked at this avenue on line, my understanding is that you have 6 years to make a claim re "fit for purpose" under sale goods act. This clause can only be taken up with the supplier (AL) not the manufacturer. I will make some calls next week and see where it takes me.
Mark
As previously mentioned it has always been my understanding that the edge trim on the pop top roof is NOT a weather or water seal - just an edge trim to the rough fiber- glass edge, for cosmetic finnish. My 2001 Puck L has always had a quite large gap at the leading edge, as the roof seems to warp upwards - never had the slightest problem with water ingress !
I don't think that in English Law there is a "Fit For Purpose" time scale, but I seem to remember that a Test Case came out on the side of 10 years for one example ? But it shouldn't need to go to Court to find out ! There are obviously warped roofs about !
I'm sure that if you can catalogue as many Hymer accepted cases of responsibility for any such problem. it will help your case :) Good Luck :)
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