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Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:10 pm
by eranjiba (deleted)
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Pics are of plate by door of my 1994 Puck and the towing info in my Citroën C3 manual. Is the manual telling me 800kg is the max weight I can tow going uphill? As Puck cannot weigh more than 600 (laden) I should be OK? Also what is the plate telling me exactly? It says 600kg, 600kg and 75kg. Not helpful to the uninitiated! I've understood Pucks to weigh 450kg unladen. Any advice welcome before getting towbar fitted!

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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:29 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.602 Posts

The 75kg is maximum nose/hitch weight. Why they say 600kg twice is still a mystery to me, but I'm sure somebody will soon enlighten us. My best guess is max axle load and max trailer load which would be a system that would allow for twin axle vans.
If you have not yet sourced somebody for the tow bar fitting try PF Jones. Swan-neck look nicest and you can have removeable neck but these are more expensive. If you want the battery to charge and fridge to run whilst you are driving along then you must specify this. I'd always advise 13 pin electrics and not 2 x 7 pin, and another must have is a vehicle specific loom and the ecu programming that goes with it. The days of blue wire clips and splicing bits in are a thing of the past with modern car electrics.

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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:41 pm
by Steamdrivenandy | 1.052 Posts

As Colin says the 75kg is the noseweight/hitch limit.
The 600kg refers to the van's MTPLM and the axle weight limit which, in this case are the same. Sometimes they aren't the same. Lots of UK made vans have axle limits higher than MTPLM but MTPzLM is the legal weight limit.
The car's towing limit is the max it can pull and you must not exceed a cars gross vehicle weight or gross train weight. Both those figures are best confirmed by checking the cars VIN plate rather than any manual or website as that's what any enforcement officers will use.


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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:02 pm
by eranjiba (deleted)
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Quote: eribaMotters wrote in post #2
vehicle specific loom and the ecu programming

What does 'vehicle specific loom and the ecu programming' mean pls? I have twin plugs on caravan but will have 13-pin with towbar so I will need an adaptor.


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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:31 pm
by eranjiba (deleted)
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Quote: Steamdrivenandy wrote in post #3
axle weight limit

Thx for helpful reply. What exactly does axle weight limit mean?
My car manual says 'Braked trailer (within GTW limit) on a 12% gradient' is 800kg. As 600kg is the max-allowed weight of laden caravan, presumably I'll be OK (even on hills!)
I will double-check the plate in car.


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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:50 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.602 Posts

The old fashioned way of wiring in a towbar used to be crimping the wire from the towbar socket/s into the car wiring with little blue clips. Now that cars have fancy electronics this is not the ideal way of doing things and your tow bar supplier should be able to provide a wiring lead that is specific to your car and plugs in somewhere behind one on the trim panels in the boot. They should then plug in their laptop or tablet into a socket that is commonly found under the dash/in the footwell on the drivers side. This is the same socket your mechanic will use when servicing the car. The fitter can then program the cars computer to tell it when the caravan is attached and it should alter rear parking sensors etc.
You are correct in that you will need an adaptor for the twin 7 pin plugs on your Eriba to match the 13 pin on your car. I was unsure if your Eriba had a 13 pin lead. Do not be tempted to have the 2 x 7 pin set up on your car as the 13 pin is far more positive and now the industry standard,

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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:21 am
by Steamdrivenandy | 1.052 Posts

Manufacturer's set a limit as to the weight an axle can bear, it is a legal limit and if exceeded you can be fined. The MTPLM is the maximum weight the caravan can weigh in total and again is a legal limit. If you think about it, if you load the van to weigh 600kg and you have it arranged so there's 70kg of pressure on the jockey wheel/hitch, then the axle is only bearing 530kg and, if hitched the car rear axle is bearing the 70kg via the hitch. The MTPLM of the overall caravan (600kg) must never be exceeded so because of the hitchload you'll never get near the axle limit, unless you somehow run with near to zero noseweight which nobody would suggest because the handling would be v poor.


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RE: Weights stated on VIN plate

in Anything Eriba-related Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:31 am
by Steamdrivenandy | 1.052 Posts

The GVW and GTW of the car are also legal limits but they're also the limits that the car manufacturer warrants that the car can handle without detriment. So, if the car maker thinks the car has been loaded above those limits then they may well decline a warranty claim for repairs. I have heard of caravan manufacturers denying liability when they believe a van has been overloaded too.

In most cases, if you calculate GTW minus GVW it will give you the towing limit. However there are some vehicles where this doesn't hold true - mainly some Peugeot/Citroen and Vauxhall cars. In these rare cases the towing limit is set higher than the difference between GTW and GVW and means that if you load the van to the towing limit, you have to reduce the max that the car can take and vice versa. A bit unnecessarily complicated in my opinion. In any case it's relatively rare for a car to be loaded near GVW anyway. But the maxim is always that you should never exceed any plated weight.


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