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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:07 pm
by hob (deleted)
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I have been watching this topic with interest while I was away but not commenting as there were several mossies trying to eat me in the room where I accessed the wifi

I am a little surprised no-one has commented on towing a Troll with a 1.5 l engine? I would have thought it a bit under powered for that? I use a 2l 130hp car to tow my Triton and am more than happy with the results, but do wonder about towing the next size up with a car engine 25% smaller?


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:38 pm
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And don't I know it, Nev. This was the prime reason that convinced me to trade-in the VW Touran just recently as at 1.6L, 105hp, it was simply underpowered when it came to anything resembling a decent climb. Stowage room was fabulous, as a seven-seater, the axle weights and overall weight allowances were more than enough..............but she'd have put herself in reverse and gone backwards at the first sight of a hill if I'd let her.


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:55 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

Quote: hob wrote in post #31
I am a little surprised no-one has commented on towing a Troll with a 1.5 l engine? I would have thought it a bit under powered for that? I use a 2l 130hp car to tow my Triton and am more than happy with the results, but do wonder about towing the next size up with a car engine 25% smaller?
Me too, Nev, but unlike you I was too chicken to even hint that another member's choice might not be the right one. There are people around here who can get very upset, even vicariously, at the merest hint of criticism, no matter how constructive or well intentioned.

I'm more surprised that no one has questioned the choice of fuel bearing in mind the recent research into premature deaths from respiratory conditions due to diesel pollution and the VW scandal.
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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:26 pm
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Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #33
Quote: hob wrote in post #31
I am a little surprised no-one has commented on towing a Troll with a 1.5 l engine? I would have thought it a bit under powered for that? I use a 2l 130hp car to tow my Triton and am more than happy with the results, but do wonder about towing the next size up with a car engine 25% smaller?
Me too, Nev, but unlike you I was too chicken to even hint that another member's choice might not be the right one. There are people around here who can get very upset, even vicariously, at the merest hint of criticism, no matter how constructive or well intentioned.




Well I never aim to upset anyone if I can avoid it but I do see myself as having the same right to my opinion as others do to theirs.
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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:40 pm
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Now here's a coincidence. The car review in today's i newspaper is of the Dacia Duster Laureate Prime 1.5-litre diesel (109BHP @ 4,000 RPM) and while the reviewer is generally complimentary, going on at some length about value for money, he nevertheless states:

'Its owners won't care that the Laureate Prime edition sounds like a cheap cava brand or that it's not an exciting car to drive. It's enough for them that the engine works smoothly (though it isn't really powerful enough for towing), the steering wheel turns the wheels effectively and the suspension soaks up the bumps on a back road out of the village."


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:40 pm
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Quote: hob wrote in post #31
I have been watching this topic with interest while I was away but not commenting as there were several mossies trying to eat me in the room where I accessed the wifi

I am a little surprised no-one has commented on towing a Troll with a 1.5 l engine? I would have thought it a bit under powered for that? I use a 2l 130hp car to tow my Triton and am more than happy with the results, but do wonder about towing the next size up with a car engine 25% smaller?


Your right Nev, the 1.5 dci is perfectly ok for the Familia 320 which I can vouch for. Using the caravan club outfit matcher, the Triton appears to be ok, however the Troll appears to be on its max limit and probably too heavy for comfort.

It is a very torguey engine with 245Nm with low end grunt, and a very low 1st gear which makes for setting off on hill starts easy, the nose weight of the 4x2 is 50kg which makes it a bit limited for towing, however the 4x4 has a nose weight of 75kg.

The Club advises that a Dacia Duster Lauréate Prime dCi 110 4x4 (2015) can, with warnings, tow an Eriba Troll 530 (2015)

This outfit combination could be a match. Kerbweight ratio: 100%
The caravan's laden weight is close to the car's kerb weight, increasing the risk of stability concerns. This outfit should not be driven by novice towers, and does not meet Club guidelines. Note that a small increase in ratio (to perhaps 90%) is acceptable if all other criteria are passed.
This outfit combination is a good match. Towing limit ratio: 87%
The caravan's laden weight is within the car's stated towing limit, and therefore meets legal limitations.
This outfit combination is a good match. Gross train weight ratio: 94%
The sum of the car and caravan’s fully laden weights is within the car’s gross train weight. This outfit can therefore be used legally with both the car and the caravan fully laden.
This outfit combination could be a match. Nose weight ratio: Unknown
If car nose weight is listed as ‘unknown’, then check with the retailer, maker or in the handbook that the car’s nose weight is sufficient. If a nose weight figure is listed, it may be hard to load the caravan (especially a twin axle) to give acceptable car and adequate caravan nose weight. Aim for 5-7% of the caravan’s actual laden weight without overloading the car or the caravan’s front axle/tyres.
This outfit combination could be a match. BHP per ton : 38
The car's engine power is quite low to tow this caravan. It may be sluggish and uncomfortable on hills or at junctions.


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:54 pm
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Stalled my Insignia 2 litre a couple of times pulling away (once at some traffic lights on a dual carriageway) mainly because I forgot there was a ton of Triton on the back.

With that report John I hate to think how that combo would have managed the 20% hills I did in North Wales last summer (both uphill and downhill)

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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:07 pm
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Hi Nev, the 4x4 Duster has an incredibly low first gear (designed for off roading) which makes hill starts less stressful plus the diesel has that low end torque, however looking at the CC report it will be an uncomfortable stressful journey dragging a Trolll on its limit. My old Jimny and Familia had a very similar report ratting and it was not a pleasant experience, perfectly ok on flat or slight inclined roads but on steep hills it was no fun at all. Pulling out at junctions and overtaking required a lot of time and space to carry out the manoeuvre.....


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:12 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

The article I quoted lists the price as £13,995 as tested and states that 4-wheel drive is available for a further £2,000 so we can assume he was driving a standard car.


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:31 pm
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Seems I might have got the pot stirring so to stir it further having read back through it all the way to the beginning (mossie free) with regard to second hand verses new ................ bought my Insignia as a 3 year old ex mobility with 14400 miles on the clock saving about £8000 and the Triton as a 7 year old saving another £7000 so 15 grand less than new ............ both will probably see me out unless I want a change before then.

However I'm more interested in the hypnotism thing and how to distribute the weight of several nurses


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:43 pm
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Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #35
Now here's a coincidence. The car review in today's i newspaper is of the Dacia Duster Laureate Prime 1.5-litre diesel (109BHP @ 4,000 RPM) and while the reviewer is generally complimentary, going on at some length about value for money, he nevertheless states:

'Its owners won't care that the Laureate Prime edition sounds like a cheap cava brand or that it's not an exciting car to drive. It's enough for them that the engine works smoothly (though it isn't really powerful enough for towing), the steering wheel turns the wheels effectively and the suspension soaks up the bumps on a back road out of the village."


I wouldn't take much notice of the daily newspaper car reviews, they seem to more about the editors egos than what the cars performance and reliability is.

Here is a review from practical caravan magazine.

THE DACIA DUSTER took the ‘Best Budget 4x4’ award at the 2013 Tow Car Awards. From just £13,495, which is less than you’d pay for the tiny Kia Rio three-door, the five-seat 4x4 is a bit rough and ready in places, but it’s undeniably a bargain. It makes a decent tow car, too. Our testers said they’d “be happy to tow on long motorway journeys with the Duster.”
A short first gear made easy work of the hill start, and the Dacia was almost as comfortable reversing up a slope as it was going forwards

Read more at http://www.practicalcaravan.com/news/288...PWZKDvPM4E87.99


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:58 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

I'd be interested to read the full test review. Can you point me to it please?


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:03 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Think I saw a caravan channel review 0n that sometime?

http://caravanchannel.co.uk/videos


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:08 pm
by Poptop320 | 2.634 Posts

Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #42
I'd be interested to read the full test review. Can you point me to it please?


Here is the video from the pratical caravan magazine......


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RE: Weight specification question

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:37 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

Thank you.

It may be rated at 1500Kg towing capacity but there's no way I'd tow a fully-laden Troll with one. You could spend a lot of time stuck behind agricultural vehicles with that combination even on the level.

I still think that at £15,000 or thereabouts a nearly new, more powerful vehicle would be a far more sensible choice but as ever, YPYMAYTYP.


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