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Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:22 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Motor Mover on a Troll.

Can anyone answer the following questions please?

1) Will a decent quality mover pull a Troll up a 10% slope and will it temporarily hold the weight the same as a handbrake?

2) Will it also pull it across the slope and is it difficult to steer? 10-degrees.jpg - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)

3) Will a mover allow a Troll to turn through 90 degrees on its own axis whilst on the slope?

4) Can the engagement/disengagement of the mover from both wheels take place from one side?

5) If so, how much room does one need to disengage the mover?

6) If an Eriba is parked up for a long period of time with the mover still engaged, will it do damage to the tyres or mover? (not worried about the battery as that can be disconnected).

I appreciate that the make of the mover and the state and size of the battery will influence the answers to the above questions but I would appreciate folks' own experiences or best guesses.

Randa


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:42 pm
by Frantone (deleted)
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In my experience with movers on 2 Trolls I would say all the answers are yes. It certainly rotates through 90° although the stationary wheel obviously scrubs the ground which will make a circular scar on grass. A 10° slope is easily manageable and the mover is a very efficient handbrake. I bet many owners have been surprised to find this out when they have forgotten to disengage it before trying to tow away!
We use our mover to drive our Troll up a levelling ramp and it stays on the incline while I put a wedge under the tyre. I often leave the mover engaged when on site because I believe that radial tyres are not seriously damaged (as cross plied tyres were) by the pressure. For longer stays and at home I wind the rollers just back off the tyres.
Crossing a slope does induce a tendency to steer downhill but it is easily counteracted by using the remote control.
Our current Reich mover has the auto engagement drive so that the rollers can be engaged into the tyres by remote control so access to the side is not required.
Another useful advantage of a mover is the ease of hitching it allows.

Are you thinking of getting one?
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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:37 pm
by jobberwock (deleted)
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Mine is a Reich. Only had it a few weeks and so far have only moved it for short distances.
It happily revolves on its own axis and is very easy to manoeuvre.

The technical bit I remember is that it will accomodate a 1 in 4 gradient.

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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:05 pm
by Poptop320 | 2.634 Posts

A Reich video, we have the comfort model, it has made our life a lot easier. I have a kerb, slight incline and a tight fit to get into position, it's no dramas with the mover. I even use it to put it on the tyre savers..


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:12 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Zitat
Quote Frantone :- Are you thinking of getting one?


Maybe. We've never needed one to date but we do have a garage that could accommodate the Eriba if a few alterations were made should we ever need to use it in the future. Hence all the questions. We would struggle to get it in there without the help of a mover (or four strong sons who are not always available ). Also, we're not getting any younger so we could grow to like using one instead of using my expert, pinpoint accurate reversing

Thanks for such a detailed response. Much appreciated.

Another (silly) question. A well looked after battery. How far do you think it'll move the van on slopes before it runs out of power?

Randa


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:22 pm
by Poptop320 | 2.634 Posts

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #5

Zitat
Quote Frantone :- Are you thinking of getting one?

Maybe. We've never needed one to date but we do have a garage that could accommodate the Eriba if a few alterations were made should we ever need to use it in the future. Hence all the questions. We would struggle to get it in there without the help of a mover (or four strong sons who are not always available ). Also, we're not getting any younger so we could grow to like using one instead of using my expert, pinpoint accurate reversing
Thanks for such a detailed response. Much appreciated.
Another (silly) question. A well looked after battery. How far do you think it'll move the van on slopes before it runs out of power?Randa



I once watched somebody move his van with his mover the full length of Grassington CC site to change pitches rather than hitch his car back up again.... I probably use mine in 10 minutes bursts with no degradation of the performance.


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:06 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Just push it


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:29 pm
by highmiler | 367 Posts

Hi Randa

Our Troll is kept on our drive and it is quite steep, I leave the Reich mover engaged as it acts as a brake, and I chock my wheels.I also leave my c-tek charger
connected all the time so that it is always ready for action. The mover is fantastic it powers up the drive and you can counter rotate the wheels so it turns on its own axis.When we were away in wet France in June it was very useful where instead of hitching up in sodden grass, you could leave the car somewhere high and dry and use the mover to get the caravan to the car. I had mine fitted by Midland Movers the day I collected the van from the seller, I really couldn't operate without it, and it has never given me any problems.I reckon the mover would go on for ages if well charged, perhaps we could have an endurance test at one of the meetings!!!


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:47 pm
by Deeps (deleted)
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Have you calculated what the overall additional weight (mover + batter) has been added to your Troll, highmiler? The more I'm reading the more, like Randa, I'm beginning to like the idea of getting one fitted.


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:30 pm
by cabbie37 | 695 Posts

I fitted a second hand one that I snapped up to my Troll. I could just about manhandle it, up the kerb into my drive etc, but the thought of doing it laden (1000kg) or on wet grass, gravel etc would be tricky. I found it a boon..

To answer some of your specific questions.

10% incline. I'd have thought so. It gets up the sloping kerb into my drive without difficulty

Across the slope. I'd have thought so. Each wheel is/can be driven independently so minor adjustments can be made at all times to 'steering'

90deg turn. Again, I'd have thought so, The movers do seem to have huge torque

Engagement can be done from one side - yes. The room needed is the length of the wheel brace. On mine, I can do it from either side

I wouldn't have thought that long term engagement wouldn't do a great deal of damage, though if it were me, I wouldn't leave it in place over the winter, for example..

hth... I never looked back after fitting mine..



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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:11 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Not much to add really, as you know I had one fitted about 3 months ago,............. to a Triton, same load limit as your Troll just a bit shorter.

Sods law the two campsites visited since then I was allowed to just drive on and pitch sideways

To answer your questions as best I can, I watched a lot of vids on youtube before investing all that money and movers do move really slowly implying a very large gearing differential as can be seen by comparing roller size to wheel size so a lot of low down grunt.

I saw vids where the control buttons were used in combination to turn a van through 180 deg pretty much in its own length IE rotating on the axle center point.

Zitat
If an Eriba is parked up for a long period of time with the mover still engaged, will it do damage to the tyres or mover?



Interesting question which I have no concrete answer to, my instinct is never to leave things under pressure for long periods so I always wind mine off as soon as I finish using it, Also isolate it electrically at the same time via the fitted switch.

Zitat
Can the engagement/disengagement of the mover from both wheels take place from one side?



Yes mine can and if there is room enough for me to get to it with my cordless drill there is enough room to wind it on and off.

The only other thought is how old\ big your Troll existing battery and charger are? they fitted a 110 Ah battery and a modern 3 stage charger which added a couple of hundred quid to my bill with the vat, but then I never had a battery or charger before I got the mover.

You may also loose a bit more storage space under a seat, see this post

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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:14 am
by Poptop320 | 2.634 Posts

I never leave the rollers connected to the tyres after they have been used, the Reich manual also says do not leave them connected for long periods of time as they may damage the tyres.
Just another thing to bear in mind is that leisure batteries on average weight 25kg (minimum 75Ah recommended by Reich) and movers approximately 35kg. This have to be factored in with your payload weights....


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:44 pm
by The Vast minority (deleted)
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I've got the fully automatic reich mover, engages with the touch of a button so requires no room for winding on or off.
All other points are answered above I believe. One post is potentially confusing in that it references a stationary wheel when making a turn. This must be an old mover as all modern ones can counter rotate allowing the unit to spin on its axis.

Get one, you will be glad you did.
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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:18 pm
by Frankofile (deleted)
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Had one fitted to my Troll when we bought it in Holland two years ago and I can honestly say moving a caravan has never been so easy. I do begin to wonder how we ever coped with our previous caravans.


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RE: Motor Mover on a Troll.

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Dec 06, 2016 3:26 pm
by Bryn | 1.031 Posts

I would quite like a mover fitted but this would also entail me having a battery assembly fitted and so the cost becomes far too expensive for a poor expat,


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