Tyre Wear
A couple of weeks ago I posted elsewhere that we yet again have a tyre wear problem.
In 2014 the tyre on the door side of our Eriba displayed sudden tyre wear to the outside of the tread. So much so that we changed it there and then. We estimated that the tyres had done about 15,000 miles but were coming up to their 5 year age limit.
When we got home, we purchased a new set of three tyres. They were about 50 quid each. Now the same pattern of wear is prevalent on the current tyres but this time it's the NON- door side. Again, we estimate that the tyres have done about 15,000 miles but are only 3 years old.
Without reopening the debate about tyre ratings etc, we are driving on tyre sizes as recommended and fitted to the van originally, including load ratings, and are running at about 3 bar hot, as per more recent recommendations. The max. tyre pressure rating is about 4 bar so we are well within the tyre's limits.
Wheel bearings are OK and the wheels are not running hot and are only warm to touch when we stop. There appears to be no throw in the wheels when revolving and the wheels are balanced.
Any ideas?
Wear is on outside of tyre :- IMG_3869.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte) Same tyre revolved by 90% IMG_3870.JPG - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
Wear is uneven. Not quite a flat spot as it's about 30% of the circumference.
Randa
ERIBAFOLK POP UP EVERYWHERE 1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
When the tyres were replaced, were the wheels taken off the van and put back on again one at a time, or all at once?
In other words, could the wheels have changed position on the van?
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yy-R56kh
Back in the day when I were a tyre fitter the old Dunlop off car balancer allowed you to mount a wheel and spin it up without all the fancy health and safety covers and brakes and stuff. It was not uncommon to have a tyre that was in balance but wobbling around like crazy - well, not literally we're only talking the odd 1/8th" here or there.
Either by a DIY method, or a visit to your local tyre depot you need to get those wheels spun up and checked for true in all planes.
As it is not all the way round the tyre it's unlikely to be alignment. Is there a chance that when the new tyres were fitted the left and right rim swapped places - in which case the fault has followed the rim which should be easy to diagnose with a spin test.
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As it has happened on different sides it cannot be the geometry of van, worn bearings, damaged stub axle etc.
I can think of three things that could possibly show the problem:-
- the tyres are directional and have not been fitted to take this into consideration
- you have towed for 15,000 miles on English roads and then 15,000 miles on mainland Europe roads
- van has been repeated loaded with a bias towards one side for 15,000 miles, and then for the next 15,000 loaded exactly opposite
If the source is one of the above I would go with the first.
Colin
Last point post #3 above looks promising.
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RE: Tyre Wear
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:01 pmby Randa france • | 13.261 Posts
Three interesting replies. Thanks for those.
Regarding wheel interchanging, could possibly be as I took them down there and re-fitted the wheels myself.
Directional? Good point. . Road camber is another good point although I would guess that about 80% would be in mainland Europe.
I wonder how many miles a caravan tyre is expected to do bearing in mind the primitive suspension?
Randa
ERIBAFOLK POP UP EVERYWHERE 1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
I'd go with Robin's suggestion and get the wheel with the worn tyre checked. I reckon the uneven wear is following the wheel round the van, which is why I wondered if they'd swapped location inadvertently.
It's only wearing on one part of the tyre's circumference, which would point to a damaged wheel.
If it was a directional tyre fitted inside out or something to do with loading, the wear would be evenly distributed. It isn't anything to do with the road camber, either.
Duff wheel.
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yy-R56kh
RE: Tyre Wear
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:47 pmby Randa france • | 13.261 Posts
I can get it down to a 50/50 chance as both road wheels are painted black while the spare wheel is silver. It is not the silver wheel that's giving the problem.
I'm replacing the tyre on Thursday so I'll ask them to take a look. I'm going to have to take both road wheels down aren't I as I don't want a new tyre fitted to a duff wheel. As all the wheels were balanced the last time I changed all three' wouldn't it have shown up then?
Randa
ERIBAFOLK POP UP EVERYWHERE 1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
Ask if they have a dial indicator they can put on the rims if not a local engineering place may be able to do it.
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Quote: hob wrote in post #8
Ask if they have a dial indicator they can put on the rims if not a local engineering place may be able to do it.
If not maybe hold something in place touching the rim edge while hand rotating the wheels this should show up any buckling caused by hitting a pothole or similar.
As said by rambling robin they are not going to see this while its whizzing round under a big cover.
Like Pepé Le Pew I think it has to be a damaged wheel.
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Quote: Randa france wrote in post #7You said that the worn tyre has only been on one wheel since it was fitted new, so I'd have thought that's the only wheel you need to take.
I can get it down to a 50/50 chance as both road wheels are painted black while the spare wheel is silver. It is not the silver wheel that's giving the problem.
I'm replacing the tyre on Thursday so I'll ask them to take a look. I'm going to have to take both road wheels down aren't I as I don't want a new tyre fitted to a duff wheel. As all the wheels were balanced the last time I changed all three' wouldn't it have shown up then?
Since Robin used to do this for a living, he'd be the one to ask about the balancing, but I can't see why it wouldn't be possible to balance a slightly bent wheel.
I've had similar problems in the past, once with a car tyre and wheel which was properly balanced, but the vibration persisted because the tyre itself was out-of-round. No amount of re-seating it on the wheel made the slightest difference. In that case the problem was with the tyre itself being out of shape, but the result would be similar if the wheel itself was out of shape too. The second occasion was fairly recently when two tyres had to be re-seated to get them to run true even though the balancing was spot on.
If only I could get back all the time I've wasted over the years standing around tyre fitters' gaffs with my hands in my pockets...
The biggest single difference is that you don't feel the vibration affecting the caravan from inside the car. If it does turn out to be a wonky wheel, then I'd have thought it makes an even stronger case for having caravan tyres balanced when fitted and having the wheels and their new tyres checked for out-of-round before sticking them back on the van.
I can't believe it would ever be time misspent, if only for the peace of mind.
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yy-R56kh
Speaking of wheels and probably not that relevant here as Roger doesn't use his spare wheel carrier I have for the second time in a year had to break the lock off my carrier to get the spare out so now I don't use one ............. how likely is it someone will want to nick my spare? so now I use this.
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Quote: hob wrote in post #11I've been meaning to do the same thing for yonks Nev, but never quite got round to it. What size is that clip?
Speaking of wheels and probably not that relevant here as Roger doesn't use his spare wheel carrier I have for the second time in a year had to break the lock off my carrier to get the spare out so now I don't use one ............. how likely is it someone will want to nick my spare? so now I use this.
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yy-R56kh
I'm not sure I gave the Tyre fitter a box full of various sizes and he fitted one from the biggest section I will have a measure when I get home and let you know.
I can bring you one to the meet if you like.
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Quote: Randa france wrote in post #5
Three interesting replies. Thanks for those.
Regarding wheel interchanging, could possibly be as I took them down there and re-fitted the wheels myself.
Directional? Good point. . Road camber is another good point although I would guess that about 80% would be in mainland Europe.
I wonder how many miles a caravan tyre is expected to do bearing in mind the primitive suspension?
Randa
The tyres I have just replaced ie Matador had a date stamp of 47/05 so assume they were the original tyres when van was registered 2007. The van has been stored all its life either in a barn by us or the previous owners barn when not in use.
So 12 year old tyres that looked like new when we replaced them, Very little tread wear and no sign of cracks in the walls. I would guess they had done over 15000 miles.
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