How cold?
About to head south to visit the son in Brum. Other half says we'll be fine with just thicker duvets overnight, and no heating on. Remembering back to our first caravan which just had the bog-standard heater, and not the central heating which you could leave on overnight, I wondered just how cold Eribas get at this time of the year without heat? We've only had our Troll since May last year, so this is our first winter sojourn. Any advice, please!
Having just spent a week on the Isle of Arran in Scotland I would highly recommend a heater through the night. Especially as the weather is the coldest it's been in 30 years!
Yorkshire chap showing Essex folk how it should be done sInce 1986.
Phillys the Hilux holding hands with Winnie the Troll 550.
We used one of our Trolls in snow back in 2012 and with the heating on all night we were snug. The weight of snow on the poptop was enough to overcome the springs at the front and when we woke the roof was down at the front and up at the back. Leaving the heating off overnight is a gamble as the heat loss can be quite considerable depending on the temperature outside, the wind speed and direction relative to the van, the degree of exposure or shelter involved etc, etc. Without heating on someone has to get up in the cold to turn it on in the morning and there's a risk that fresh water and toilet water pipes/taps/tanks might have frozen.
'Well the rain came, I thought you'd leave
'Cos I knew how much you loved the sun.
But you chose to stay, stay and keep me warm
Through the darkest nights I've ever known'.
Some people are nervous about sleeping with their gas fires running for fear of carbon monoxide poisoning should anything go wrong.
One alternative is to fit a Truma electric element inside the gas fire and this can safely be left on all night with the thermostat set low. That's what we do but they are quite expensive and require some dismantling when fitting.
Otherwise, it would be a good idea to take along a small oil-filled radiator to keep the interior cosy and prevent the water pipes freezing.
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I went out this morning and found my litle one hiding from the snow.
hiding from the snow - Feb 2018-1600.jpg - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
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RE: How cold?
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:45 amby Randa france • | 13.261 Posts
It's forecast that there's Snow and gales coming to the west of GB from Portugal on Thursday. Storm Emma :-
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/c...eather-14338502
Randa
ERIBAFOLK POP UP EVERYWHERE 1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
How is it that these days newspapers always have to have somewhere else to 'blame' for our bad weather? Portugal's Storm Emma', Russia's Beast from the East', French thunderstorms from across the channel, etc, etc. For goodness sake, it's just weather, it happens, it moves about, it has done since the world began. You'd think the Daily Express just invented it.
'Well the rain came, I thought you'd leave
'Cos I knew how much you loved the sun.
But you chose to stay, stay and keep me warm
Through the darkest nights I've ever known'.
RE: How cold?
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:12 amby Randa france • | 13.261 Posts
Yes but it determines "Whether" you risk taking your Eriba out for a "spin" or not.
When looking at the various news reports yesterday it takes me back to the comments made late last year by our German correspondent Deeps regarding how the mainland Europeans are better prepared for winter conditions by having the correct tyres fitted. .
Randa
ERIBAFOLK POP UP EVERYWHERE 1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
Thanks for all your replies. We are hardy souls, living in Perthshire, but I think I'll be investing in a wee oil filled heater to leave on overnight. The electric Truma heater makes the air very dry inside the van - not pleasant if left on all night. Thankfully, we are 5'6" and 5'7", so don't actually need to raise the roof - only when 6'1" son visits!
RE: How cold?
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:00 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
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Each to their own, but I too don't understand how one form of electric heating can have a different effect on the air than another. They both warm the air. And taking another bit of electric kit when you have one already fitted in the van just seems perverse.
'Well the rain came, I thought you'd leave
'Cos I knew how much you loved the sun.
But you chose to stay, stay and keep me warm
Through the darkest nights I've ever known'.
RE: How cold?
in Anything Eriba-related Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:44 amby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
If you assume a given level of moisture in the air, increasing the temperature with an electric heat source reduces the relative humidity, and it's this lowering of relative humidity that makes the air feel drier.
Since water is a by-product of the combustion of gas, heating the air with a gas appliance introduces moisture and raises the relative humidity, making it feel more comfortable, though only to a point.
I can't remember what the figure is, but we peeps are most comfortable at a fairly specific relative humidity.
Much drier and waking up with a bit of a sore throat is a by-product. It upsets your mucous membranes an' all that.
If the air is carrying more water vapour you'll likely be comfier, but take this too far (either with a lack of ventilation or over-use of the gas appliance) and you'll end up with rivers of condensation all over everwhere.
I guess it's a question of balancing the ventilation. Cracking a window when using electric heat will introduce damper air from outside, hopefully until you achieve the degree of relative humidity that suits you best.
Similarly, cracking a window when you've got a gas appliance overloading the atmosphere with water will allow drier air in and allow some of the moisture-laden air out.
It's all about relative humidity, init.
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I'd agree with all that PLP, though caravans have so much standing ventilation designed in for H&S reasons, that unless it's been blocked (Warning Danger of Death) there's little point in cracking open a window.
'Well the rain came, I thought you'd leave
'Cos I knew how much you loved the sun.
But you chose to stay, stay and keep me warm
Through the darkest nights I've ever known'.
RE: How cold?
in Anything Eriba-related Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:18 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
Yes, I'd have to agree. Our Triton has a load of permanent ventilation louvres in the door through which the wind fair howls plus a number of gas drop-outs in the floor.
Ventilation is not a problem but condensation certainly can be.
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