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Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:34 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

On my previous Eribas the wiring for the towbar included an audible buzzer which sounded when using indicators when hitched to the van. My Kia Sorento 16 plate had a Kia fitted towbar and electrics installed but never used based on the new condition of detachable swan neck. When we took the van out for its maiden tow checked all lights and systems worked but no audible change when indicating. I was going to contact Kia garage to have them check the wiring OK.
On returning from our last trip and driving southbound on M5 I detected a audible buzzer when indicating right to overtake. Pulled into service station to investigate and realised the right rear indicator on van not working which obviously activates the buzzer to indicate a fault. Gave the lens a tap or two and it started to operate. Removed the orange lens to access the bulb but found it seemed OK. The bulb holder is a two part bayonet fit into casing which try as I might could not remove.
Replaced the lens and tried the right indicator, it worked, tried LHS it came in sympathy with its pal and stopped working and activating buzzer. Gave said bulb cover a couple of taps and it started working.
So have an intermittent fault somewhere but fail to see why both indicators sometimes stop working either left or right or both . Any suggestions gratefully received.


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:53 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

IMHO the problem must lie in the light clusters as you say a slight tap and they work again.

A bad earth connection sounds a likely suspect. Are the other lights working?

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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:06 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #2
IMHO the problem must lie in the light clusters as you say a slight tap and they work again.

A bad earth connection sounds a likely suspect. Are the other lights working?

Randa


Shall investigate tomorrow as we are set to visit Wales for the weekend. Hope I can find schematics for the wiring. The other lights are OK just indicators. No indicators means will not be allowed over Tamar. In Cornwall you are allowed faulty Headlights and tail/brake lights but indicators big nono (although most don't use them) !


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:09 pm
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #2
IMHO the problem must lie in the light clusters as you say a slight tap and they work again.

A bad earth connection sounds a likely suspect.
Good call, chief. If the problem affects more than one unit the first thing I'd be looking for is an intermittent earth.

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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:12 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Quote: Pepé Le Pew wrote in post #4
Quote: Randa france wrote in post #2
IMHO the problem must lie in the light clusters as you say a slight tap and they work again.

A bad earth connection sounds a likely suspect.
Good call, chief. If the problem affects more than one unit the first thing I'd be looking for is an intermittent earth.

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Quote: Pepé Le Pew wrote in post #4
Quote: Randa france wrote in post #2
IMHO the problem must lie in the light clusters as you say a slight tap and they work again.

A bad earth connection sounds a likely suspect.
Good call, chief. If the problem affects more than one unit the first thing I'd be looking for is an intermittent earth.

.


Yeah that's quite handy as just downloaded google earth on laptop. Will have a look see


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:32 pm
by ColinMorgan (deleted)
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Hi, my understanding is that an audible warning of towing indicators has been a legal requirement for a good many years now, certainly my last 2 cars have had it as part of the towing electrics. It shouldn't buzz only when there is a fault. Clearly, there is something strange happening if it buzzes when there is a fault. It should buzz to tell you that it is operating properly.


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:52 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

I've never had to try it on our Eriba but all the years of trailer towing has taught me to run a seperate earth from the light clusters to a metal chassis member on the trailer as well as leaving the common white earth run back to the car.

Also a good tip to bridge the black and brown rear side light wires at the plug so that if one feed breaks down then you'll get power from the other.

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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:05 pm
by Julie Grafo | 3.563 Posts

Not technically minded so don't understand this. Our first Eriba used to cause the buzzing noise when using the indicators, this was when we had our Fiat Multipla. When we changed to the Honda, no buzzing. Queried it with Honda and they said something along the lines of "don't worry they don't buzz anymore". As I said I don't know why but apparently they don't buzz but all the lights are working. So on reflection none of this is any help to the OP, sorry.


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in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:21 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

I encountered the same problem back in June 2015 when, shortly before setting off for the Channel Tunnel, I found that one of my caravan indicators wasn't working. You can read about it here if you are interested.

The indicators gave me a lot of trouble while we were in France so on our return I replaced the 13-pin plug and cable. Since doing that I haven't had any more trouble.

I wrote a detailed 'How to replace your 13 pin cable and plug' guide for the forum which you can find here.

It may be worth checking your caravan to car connections as this may be the root of your problem too.


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:07 am
by eribaMotters | 5.600 Posts

Regarding beeps, buzzes, flashes, etc.
Cars of old had to have a secondary device, visual or audible to let you know the trailer indicators were working. I believe this requirement went out when bulb failure warning came in on modern cars.

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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:34 am
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #9
I encountered the same problem back in June 2015 when, shortly before setting off for the Channel Tunnel, I found that one of my caravan indicators wasn't working. You can read about it here if you are interested.

The indicators gave me a lot of trouble while we were in France so on our return I replaced the 13-pin plug and cable. Since doing that I haven't had any more trouble.

I wrote a detailed 'How to replace your 13 pin cable and plug' guide for the forum which you can find here.

It may be worth checking your caravan to car connections as this may be the root of your problem too.



Have just read your blog and still laughing . Very good read and advice on places to visit for our upcoming trip to France, Spain and Portugal. Just about to jump in car to have another go at fixing the electricals.......


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:34 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Quote: Eribanut wrote in post #1
On my previous Eribas the wiring for the towbar included an audible buzzer which sounded when using indicators when hitched to the van. My Kia Sorento 16 plate had a Kia fitted towbar and electrics installed but never used based on the new condition of detachable swan neck. When we took the van out for its maiden tow checked all lights and systems worked but no audible change when indicating. I was going to contact Kia garage to have them check the wiring OK.
On returning from our last trip and driving southbound on M5 I detected a audible buzzer when indicating right to overtake. Pulled into service station to investigate and realised the right rear indicator on van not working which obviously activates the buzzer to indicate a fault. Gave the lens a tap or two and it started to operate. Removed the orange lens to access the bulb but found it seemed OK. The bulb holder is a two part bayonet fit into casing which try as I might could not remove.
Replaced the lens and tried the right indicator, it worked, tried LHS it came in sympathy with its pal and stopped working and activating buzzer. Gave said bulb cover a couple of taps and it started working.
So have an intermittent fault somewhere but fail to see why both indicators sometimes stop working either left or right or both . Any suggestions gratefully received.



Problem sorted. Been down to the caravan storage with all the suitable tools, chainsaw, sledge hammer, crowbar etc. Connected 13 pin to car and sure enough neither indicator working. Turned on lights and noticed NS not working either. Gave it a tap with hammer and hey presto it came on
Thought the problem might be in wiring loom so removed complete rear cluster to take a look at the connectors they all looked OK so disconnected and reconnected them a few times but problem still existing.
Tapping the reflector still seemed to indicate individual bulb problem so removed bulb holders and bulbs to have a look. They seems OK no sign of wet or corrosion just that the bottom spring contact looked a little flat in holder. Managed to bend it up with crowbar and voila light back on.
Reassembled light fitting and tested ...OK fitted indicator lens ...OK gave it a tap with hammer.............OK
Continued procedure with other indicator and both back/brake light holders and now fully functional.
The thing that threw me was that three lights should show defective at same time indicating as suggested perhaps bad earth but in fact was the individual bulb holders
Can now safely cross the border into Wales without fear of the Welsh Gendarmes pulling me over !
For those that know Exe Valley, we are going to annoy the Harland's at their new abode.


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:07 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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Mr Randa Sir,

I have to report a disturbingly severe case of navigational slovenliness within the ranks of Eribafolk. Something that's becoming increasingly prevalent in the outside world with the greater reliance on satnavs etc, but one would expect better from an established member of our association. An inhabitant of that bit dangling on the side between The English and The Bristol Channels, suggesting that one proceeds to the Exe Valley in delightful Devon via Wales, even with a shortcut of sorts across a toll bridge available, shows a distinct lack of geographic knowledge bordering on the pitiful. Indeed it reminds me of my own daughter's answer to a GCSE Geography question where she suggested that Britain was connected to Ireland by a bridge.


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:38 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Quote: steamdrivenandy wrote in post #13
Mr Randa Sir,

I have to report a disturbingly severe case of navigational slovenliness within the ranks of Eribafolk. Something that's becoming increasingly prevalent in the outside world with the greater reliance on satnavs etc, but one would expect better from an established member of our association. An inhabitant of that bit dangling on the side between The English and The Bristol Channels, suggesting that one proceeds to the Exe Valley in delightful Devon via Wales, even with a shortcut of sorts across a toll bridge available, shows a distinct lack of geographic knowledge bordering on the pitiful. Indeed it reminds me of my own daughter's answer to a GCSE Geography question where she suggested that Britain was connected to Ireland by a bridge.


Hmmm...... seems someone on here under false pretences as he is owner of WWB not a beloved Eriba of which we are all proud owners has displayed his own lack of geographical knowledge in that Exe Valley Touring Park of which I referred to is in fact in Somerset not Devon.

I rest my case m'lord..........


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RE: Indicators stopped working

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:00 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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Quote: Eribanut wrote in post #14
Quote: steamdrivenandy wrote in post #13
Mr Randa Sir,

I have to report a disturbingly severe case of navigational slovenliness within the ranks of Eribafolk. Something that's becoming increasingly prevalent in the outside world with the greater reliance on satnavs etc, but one would expect better from an established member of our association. An inhabitant of that bit dangling on the side between The English and The Bristol Channels, suggesting that one proceeds to the Exe Valley in delightful Devon via Wales, even with a shortcut of sorts across a toll bridge available, shows a distinct lack of geographic knowledge bordering on the pitiful. Indeed it reminds me of my own daughter's answer to a GCSE Geography question where she suggested that Britain was connected to Ireland by a bridge.


Hmmm...... seems someone on here under false pretences as he is owner of WWB not a beloved Eriba of which we are all proud owners has displayed his own lack of geographical knowledge in that Exe Valley Touring Park of which I referred to is in fact in Somerset not Devon.

I rest my case m'lord..........



That, Sir, is a smokescreen.

You referred to Exe Valley in an earlier communication, not Exe Valley Touring Park. As more than 50% of the Exe Valley is in delightful Devon, rather than silly Somerset, it is human nature to assume the miscreant was wobbling towards Devon. Indeed he would actually be proceeding through Devon in order to breach the borders of Somerset. Having said that it makes little difference to the main thrust of my complaint, which was the needless meander through the prestigious Principality to reach the said destination.

I rest my case and my poor benighted frame m'lord aussi


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