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Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:39 am
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

What does our leisure battery do for us?

Since our Eriba was imported 2nd hand from the Netherlands, it has been fitted with a leisure battery and all the electrical equipment that goes with it.

However, we never visit camp sites that don't have EHU's. We don't have a mover, we're only a cold water van with no sophisticated electrical gizmos

Now here's the nub of the question.
Yesterday we noticed that the colour changing health indicator bullseye in our sealed leisure battery was showing red. It's been disconnected all winter. However, I reconnected it and towed the van for about 40 miles before taking it out and connecting it to our smart charger. It was >13 volts and in the past 20 hours it has trickled charged to > 14 volts.

Having read articles about the unreliability of health indicators on batteries and in view of the fact that our battery is responding to a charger, I'm inclined to see what happens over the next few days.

However, if the battery is dud what effect will it have if it's left "in line" on the van? Again, I've read mixed opinions from "nothing at all" to "a boil over will ruin the fabric of the van". If it's been on charge for the past 20 hours I can't see it boiling over.

The simplest answer is to change it but why hurry if we don't use it, especially as there might be nothing wrong with it?

Again, you might recommend we have it checked out but I refer to our original question. What does it do and what is the effect of running a dud battery "in line"?

Randa


1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match
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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:53 am
by Frantone (deleted)
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Check out www.batteryuniversity.com
(No tuition fees but quite a lot of studying)


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:03 am
by crow (deleted)
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Do you owe the battery anything?
Does the battery owe you anything?
As a % of the total value of your caravan how does the battery rate?
Is it Welsh reticence that prevents you from throwing it away?
Get on with it throw it away (sorry recycle it)


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:19 am
by Steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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Ah, but why recycle if it hasn't run its allotted span. I would suggest that you keep it an use it as normal. It's obviously not a major item in your caravanning so if it fails you shouldn't be too inconvenienced.
Ignore Rod he just likes to watch other people spend their money, oh and he owns Batteries R Us.


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:40 am
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

What you need is a consultation with the great JohnE, Roger.

Have you been charging your battery occasionally over the winter or has it been left for months unloved? Could that be the problem - Randaneglect?

If the battery has accepted a charge and is now holding it then I don't think you need to worry. I assume the magic eyeball indicator has returned to green indicating a healthy condition?

So far as I'm aware, a battery should have 12.8+V across the terminals without load and when you put it on load (lights, awning light, taps, heater blower etc) and you are on EHU the on-board charger should top the battery up automatically and then keep it fully charged with a 'maintenance' voltage. With the BIP unit fitted to my 2003 van, the maintenance charge is 13.7V (+/- 0.1V) when it is working correctly but with my CTek 7000 it's 14.1V (I think.).

You will recall that on our first trip to France in 2011 with the Triton it soon became obvious that the BIP charging circuit was defective and I had to buy a charger to keep the battery topped up - important when you have a mover fitted. That's why on our return I fitted a panel voltmeter so I could keep an eye on things.

If you haven't already got a voltmeter, fitting one before you set off could give you peace of mind (or confirm your fears).

Anyway, there's a rumour going around that you can actually buy batteries in France and Spain so it would hardly be a disaster if yours gave up the ghost during your imminent Randajaunt.


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:14 am
by crow (deleted)
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Get it load tested. Try Halfords but take a text speaker to interpret.
What year is the van/battery?



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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:41 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Steamdrivenandy wrote in post #4
Ah, but why recycle if it hasn't run its allotted span.
Batteries don't really have an allotted span.

A decent quality battery in a car which is used regularly might well last eight or nine years or even more. A similar one in a car used every now and then to pop two miles down to the corporation dump and back might not even last half that long.

Sporadic use with months of neglect in between is a killer. If the battery has been ignored for weeks and weeks and weeks and is more than half a dozen years old, I'd be inclined to replace it anyway.

And once you've got a new one, use it and charge it frequently. It'll last a lot longer that way.

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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:38 am
by crow (deleted)
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Thats it in a nutshell young Pete


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:42 am
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Quote: crow wrote in post #8
Thats it in a nutshell young Pete

Not quite for my original question was :-

Zitat
Again, you might recommend we have it checked out but I refer to our original question. What does it do and what is the effect of running a dud battery "in line"?


Randa


1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:54 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

"What does it do and what is the effect of running a dud battery "in line"?"

What does what do? The battery?

If you use a defective battery it'll fail much sooner than one which isn't. If that's likely to leave you in the lurch, get a new one. If it isn't, don't bother.

You haven't said how old it is or for how long it was left unattended.

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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:04 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

What does it do?

Internal lights (I think battery stops them flickering when on EHU)
Awning light (only works when on EHU)
Heater blower fan (if fitted)
Water pump activated by switches in taps
12V sockets (but nobody ever uses them)
Toilet (if model with electric flush fitted)

Have I forgotten anything?


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:14 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Hi Pete.

Zitat
If you use a defective battery it'll fail much sooner than one which isn't. If that's likely to leave you in the lurch, get a new one. If it isn't, don't bother.



Thanks for that. That's what I was trying to establish. Whether a dud battery would do any damage to the rest of the equipment or not. As we don't know if it's a dud and if it does no harm to carry on with it until its condition is established then as Brian says, we can always pick one up abroad if needs be.

As to its age. Don't know but at least 4 years old but never used in anger. As to its mistreatment then yes, as always, at the end of the season we disconnect it and leave it in its battery carrier until the following year.

Incidentally, research has shown that currently, Halfords are selling Leisure Batteries at quite competitive prices.

Randa


1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:22 pm
by Agger (deleted)
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Spanner in the works time

We have the original battery in our 10 year old Troll, we've had it for 8 years. I don't trickle charge (except on EHU on site) i don't disconnect it, i don't own a CTEK, i don't keep the van under a blanket or keep it warm inside during winter months, and this according to my extensive records is only the 4th battery in just under 40 (Forty) years.

In my humble opinion, we over service and don't understand what we are doing or why

You can justify to yourself what you do by all means, i do the same, and what i do works for me


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:45 pm
by crow (deleted)
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Told you go to Halfords, keep the old battery as a souvenir instead of taking it as ballast
across europe


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RE: Leisure Battery

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:50 pm
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts
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Quote: Randa france wrote in post #12
Incidentally, research has shown that currently, Halfords are selling Leisure Batteries at quite competitive prices.


Only my humble and wildly prejudiced opinion and all that, but I wouldn't have a Halfords brand battery if they were giving them away.

Actually, I wouldn't buy a wet (lead acid) battery at all if it's going to go into a caravan. There are two main alternatives, gel and AGM (absorbed glass mat), neither of which will spill or need an external vent for the hydrogen given off when under charge. That they are spill-proof means you don't have to faff about with a special box to put them in either.

Yes, they are dearer, but a good quality 95ah glass mat battery like Werbung: this one should do you fine, and it's cheaper than a gel one.

I'm sure I remember someone - it might have been Deeps - saying that Eriba themselves are fitting 'regular' (ones without 'leisure' written on the side) glass mat batteries from new.

I've never been convinced by this 'leisure battery' malarkey anyway, but then nobody died and made me an expert.

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