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HELP!

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:46 pm
by RevRy (deleted)
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No sarkyness now! But setting up eriba ready to go on hols had a major mini mental - which car mirror goes where? is the normal looking one drivers side or passenger side (as in extended caravan mirrors for car) as this is our first outing please forgive this eriba virgin x


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RE: HELP!

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:51 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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What do you mean by 'normal?

My Aero's were identical, except one was left and one right. Depending on where you fitted them i.e. top or bottom of mirror frame they swapped over.


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:09 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.604 Posts

It sounds like you have an odd pair (don't take it personally) in that one of your towing mirrors is flat and the other is convex. If this is the case and they are new I would get one of them exchanged as this could be confusing when estimating distances. I have always preffered the flat ones.

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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:20 pm
by Steve and Debbie | 1.110 Posts

I don't use mirrors with my Puck 120. Its narrower than my car. I think thats legal for me. Ignoring legalities I hated using them with a wider caravan. Shaking reflections drove me mad.


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:20 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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Most ordinary car mirrors can see partially down the side of a caravan, that's not an issue. What extension mirrors provide is a view that meets the legal requirement to be able to see the 4m space from each side of your van at 20m distance. Even with a narrow van and normal car mirrors this is almost impossible to achieve.

Funnily enough my extension mirrors wobbled when I first used them eight years ago, but I learned that they need to be screwed down tightly and then they behaved just like the car mirrors to which they're attached.


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:08 pm
by Edna III (deleted)
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If towing in europe ensure you have a convex fitted to the passenger side…..legal requirement apparently…increases your field of view...



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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:11 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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Quote: Just Trolling wrote in post #6
If towing in europe ensure you have a convex fitted to the passenger side…..legal requirement apparently…increases your field of view...


I've never heard of that before JT, are you sure it's not an urban, or caravanning myth?


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:13 pm
by Steve and Debbie | 1.110 Posts

This is an interesting extract from the document on this page

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...-motor-vehicles

"where the bottom edge of an exterior mirror is less than 2m above the road surface when
the vehicle is laden, that mirror shall not project more than 20cm beyond the overall width of the
vehicle or, if the vehicle is drawing a trailer which is wider than the drawing vehicle, more than
20cm beyond the overall width of the trailer"


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:13 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

Could one of our French resident members clarify this for us as I too have never heard of this being a requirement?


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:20 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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So, if your towing a van that's as wide as your car, or less, the mirrors cannot project more than 8ins wider than your car. Does that mean your car's door mirrors, or the width of the car's body. Car manufacturer's don't seem to agree about which measurement is the true width as some quote both and some quote one or the other.


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:32 pm
by Steve and Debbie | 1.110 Posts

A mirror can't project beyond itself so it must be the width of the vehicle without the mirror. So in my case it would be illegal to fit extension mirrors.


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in Anything Eriba-related Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:18 pm
by steamdrivenandy (deleted)
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I suggest you ask a traffic policeman.


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in Anything Eriba-related Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:25 am
by Islay Corbel (deleted)
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Width of car and caravan to be taken into account

Therefore, it is according to the width of the towing vehicle, the surface of its original mirrors, and the width of the caravan bodywork that determines whether or not additional mirrors are required. With a folding caravan or narrow body, no problem. If you tow a caravan over 2 m wide with a medium sedan, you have to ask yourself the question.

The above is from the magazine le monde du plein air.


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RE: HELP!

in Anything Eriba-related Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:41 am
by Islay Corbel (deleted)
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Width of car and caravan to be taken into account

Therefore, it is according to the width of the towing vehicle, the surface of its original mirrors, and the width of the caravan bodywork that determines whether or not additional mirrors are required. With a folding caravan or narrow body, no problem. If you tow a caravan over 2 m wide with a medium sedan, you have to ask yourself the question.


The above is from the magazine le monde du plein air.

And this...if you can understand .....

Version consolidée au 02 juillet 2018
Article 12 Learn more about this article...
Amended by Order of 17 April 1986, art. 1 v. init.
The width and length of the rear-view mirror exceeding the outer dimensions of the vehicle must not be significantly greater than that necessary to comply with the prescribed fields of vision.

Where the lower edge of an exterior rear-view mirror is less than 1,90 m from the ground with the vehicle laden, the rear-view mirror shall not project more than 0,20 m from the end of the overall width on the side of the mirror of the vehicle or of the combination of vehicles not equipped with the rear-view mirror.

Under the above conditions, the overall width of a vehicle equipped with its mirrors may exceed the width by 2.50 metres.



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in Anything Eriba-related Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:25 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

There's one sentence in the towing mirrors section of the relevant .gov.uk web page which removes all the confusion.

It's this: 'Fit suitable towing mirrors if your trailer or caravan is wider than the rear of your car.'

So it would seem that all the stuff about angles of view and distances and complicated diagrams with coloured triangles and peeps saying that they don't need extra mirrors because their car's ordinary ones stick out further than the sides of the caravan is kind of redundant.

Two minutes with a Stanley retractable (just like the one that Feathers McGraw used to get into the museum window in The Wrong Trousers) and you'd know for sure.

If the police did the same measurements themselves when they pulled a suspicious outfit over then they'd know straight away too. What obviously doesn't help in this regard is that there are so few traffic police out there these days that people are perfectly happy take the chance on not being pulled over and just don't care.

And besides, you can't help getting the impression that the obfuscatory nature of all the 'advice' about towing mirrors on the net does nothing other than demonstrate the need for mirrors both to those who are convinced of their value and those who aren't in equal measure.

Apply the simple rule above (a rule which already exists and which is not open to any interpretation whatsoever) and Robert's your mother's brother.

No arguments.

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