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weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:47 pm
by Bryn | 1.031 Posts

If it is being towed by a French registered vehicle and if it exceeds 500kg PTAC (loaded weight) then, by law, it requires to be registered and have a Certificat d'Immatriculation (carte grise).


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:10 pm
by Big Al | 230 Posts

Can someone tell me...?

I will be using my Peugeot 3008 (MPM 2100kg) to tow my Puck (max 600kg) in France and Belgium in June. The only figures I can find is for vehicles towing over GTM 3500kg.

Will I be restricted to any speed limits?


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:19 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.600 Posts

I know it does not make any sense, but the law relates to max permissible gross train weights over 3500kg. and not actual gross train weights. I'm guessing your Peugeot 3008 has a mas gross train weight of about 3700kg, so you have to tow at lower speeds, even though you are pulling a nice lightweight Puck.

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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:50 am
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Colin's correct.

We have a Touran which is capably of towing trailer/caravans up to 1500kg. The Touran weighs in at about 2100kg (can't quite remember), which gives a maximum train weight of 3600 kg. (over 3500 kg). Therefore I am not allowed to tow anywhere in France at over 50 mph. It matters not a jot that our Troll is only rated at 1000kg maximum when loaded.

Unfortunately, although a crazy law, all these specs are spelled out just inside the passenger door column of the car for anybody to see.

Randa


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:07 pm
by Big Al | 230 Posts

Thanks gents for your replies. My Pug 3008 seems to have some conflicting numbers...

There are no specs on the door post, just tyre pressures. I have checked all 4 doors, will look further when it's not raining.

My V5 suggests the same figures as Randa's Touran. Max permissible mass of 2100kg (mass in service 1614kg). The technical permissible towable mass of trailer is shown as 1500kg. Most websites shows it as 1300kg.

Accepting it is best to go with the V5 figures I will stick to the lower speeds. Do I read it right on deal carriageways it is 90kph (55mph) and single lanes 80kph (50mph)?


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:35 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Since July last year the maximum speed limit on any French 2 lane road is now 80 km/hr (50 mph). Usually, on motorways and peages it's normally 90, 110 or 130 km/hr dependant on signage and whether it's raining or not.

If you fall foul of the > 3,500 km then it's 80 km/h (50mph). Likewise in the rest of Europe any caravan is restricted to 80km/hr unless while in Germany you get your van TUV tested and gain a 100 km/h sticker for the back.

What we've found is that unlike Death Race UK motorways, European roads are safer and we pick a nice spot in the slow lane and set our cruise control to that of the lorries (which is around 58/60 mph) and bowl along at that pace. It normally isn't nose to tail with lorries as they are well spaced. However if we come to a bit of a convoy I just up my speed and pass them before slowing down again once I've cleared them.

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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:10 pm
by Big Al | 230 Posts

Thanks Randa, I have driven many times in Europe but never towing hence the question. Oh to have those roads here...


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:16 pm
by Steve and Debbie | 1.109 Posts

" I have checked all 4 doors"

sometimes the weights are displayed under the bonnet !

https://www.towbarexpress.co.uk/guide/ho...-towing-weight/


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:57 pm
by Big Al | 230 Posts

Thanks for the link, very useful. I will look under the bonnet tomorrow.

Just as well I'm taking the modern. My Morris Traveller would confuse them considering there isn't a VIM plate, nor does it have a weight listed on the V5!

At a reported 16.5cwt (828kg) and allowing 80% towing allowance that would make it under 1500kg total. Being well under the 3500kg mentioned it suggests I could go over the 80kmh restriction. Managing that would be a miracle...


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:03 pm
by robandali (deleted)
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According to the leaflets they used to give out at Dover, you need to add the max permitted towing weight for your vehicle to the max permitted fully loaded weight of your vehicle. If this exceeds 3500kg, you need to observe the lower speed limits of 80 and 90 km/hr.
For our 2010 2l 150bhp 3008, this works out as 3480kg (2080 kg fully loaded plus 1400kg max braked trailer). This is just within legal limits but I must admit we tend to stick to 90 km/ hr in most instances as I don't fancy trying to argue with a gendarme about 20kg! In any case, I'm on holiday so why rush?
If you have the petrol 3008 or smaller diesel, you are probably even lower max weight. Can't speak for the newer 3008 though...


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:31 pm
by Big Al | 230 Posts

Thanks for that. I have the 2.0 HDi (163bhp) Exclusive 5d Auto so I'm sticking with being over the limit. It will not feel the Puck behind it so I guess I'll have to use my speed limiter just in case I forget it's there...


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:11 pm
by Old Rocker | 536 Posts

Help a thick Yorkshire man out here folks, I've just changed cars to a Volvo XC60 on the plate on the door pillar are 2 weights no wording
2505kg
4305kg
Is the 2nd weight my max permissible gross train weight?
It's going to be a long slow drive South this year if that's the case


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:33 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Just found this on Practical Caravan.

Car details:
Volvo Xc60 D4 [190] R Design Lux Nav 5dr
Awd Geartronic 4wd Leisure Vehicle
2015 - 2017
Nose Weight (kg) 90
Kerb Weight (kg) 1879
Unbraked Maximum Tow (kg) 750
Maximum Tow (kg) 2000
Max Tow at GTW (kg) 2000
Gross Weight (kg) 2505
Train Weight (kg) 4505

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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:56 am
by Old Rocker | 536 Posts

Yep saw that when I was searching for info so presume Train weight is the figure that matters? which would equate to my 4305kg as mine is a manual so lighter than auto I think
Thanks Randa


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RE: weights and towing in France

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:06 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Quote: Old Rocker wrote in post #14
Yep saw that when I was searching for info so presume Train weight is the figure that matters? which would equate to my 4305kg as mine is a manual so lighter than auto I think
Thanks Randa


Yep the 4305kg is the one you use so over the 3500kg figure.


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