Fitting high level awning rail.
Fitting high level awning rail.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:13 pmby Ray Lawrence • | 671 Posts
Major job no.2 after cleaning the pop top canvas was to install a high level awning rail.
I have 3 awnings. A Soplair which fits very well, is spacious and very sturdy. Takes a bit of time to put up though on the standard awning rail.
I also have a Movelite Oxygen 2 drive away air awning that fits just about on the standard awning rail but looks messy bunched up to fit a low rail. Bit heavy to put up but great for taking grandchildren as it has a tunnel between the awning and van and stops the kids traipsing wet muddy boots through the awning to get in to the van.
Finally I have a Vango Bondi Low lightweight awning which is very quick and easy to put up but is very low. It brushes my head at the van end and again looks baggy due to the low rail. The Kador strip on both the driveaway awnings also leaks badly in the rain with water running down the side of the van inside the awning.
So, I decided that a new high level awning rail would help in two ways. One in the extra height with a better fit also my theory is that if the Kadar strip leaks again at the high level , the water will only run down as far as the original awning rail and then move away sideways.
I ordered 3x1m lengths of C rail as it's cheaper than a continuous rail and less likely to be damaged in transit. Also ordered a tube of Sikaflex 221 to stick it on. My original plan was to just stick it on but then decided I would perhaps try and hook up with the steel frame. There are only two tubes in that part of the roof in a Triton which wasn't going to add much strength so in the end, in for a penny in for a pound, I decided to drill the fibre glass roof as well, 3 self tapping screws in each of the 1 meter sections.
I won't go in to too much detail but with careful marking out it was relatively easy to get the rail in place in a straight line with the two joints nicely in line. I did find that working with Sikaflex was difficult, it's very unforgiving stuff and difficult to clean up. The screws in to the fibreglass turned out to be useful in keeoing the rail in line whilst curing and also not compressing the rail too much in order to maintain a minimum 2mm bed of sealant. I shall tighten the screws when the sealant has cured in a couple of days.
Just need a chance to try it all out now, maybe the end of summer will be OK for camping again
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RE: Fitting high level awning rail.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:50 pmby eribaMotters • | 5.585 Posts
Well done Ray, it really is a job worth doing with the lower roof height Eriba's. I did this on my last two vans so I could use the Caravanstore without it fouling the door and would do it on my current van if the roof curvature allowed it.
The Sikaflex is a sod to clean off and both times I went throught the "what have I done"" phase. I found a small meths dampened rag, constantly replaced did the job. When rubbing it off it alos polished the aluminium track. I was lucky in that I managed to buy mine as a continuous length as Camping & General where only 10 miles away from where I used to live.
If anybody using a Caravanstore plans to do this then set the extra high level rail only 100mm above the exsting awning rail. If you go any higher then the arms of the Caravanstore cannot brace against the roof correctly.
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Colin
aka Oscar - Audi A3 1.5 petrol _ ex 430, 552, camplet trailer tent, 310, now a nice white 2017 430.
RE: Fitting high level awning rail.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:01 amby Erik (deleted)
hello, just a thought does the sikaflex hold the rail ok with the awning attached in transit,or should i ask is it safe in windy conditions.
regards john
RE: Fitting high level awning rail.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:04 amby warddru0455 (deleted)
Help needed Please, Seeing this post has prompted me to investigate fitting a higher level awning rail on my Triton 420 GT 2003. Some questions have popped up in my one little grey cell.
1/ Thickness of fibre glass roof which will determine length of the fixing screws and best type to use along with stikaflex.
2/ There are some skeleton frame bars going vertically. Is it best to attempt to fix to them or avoid due to possible water ingress. Anyone know the position of them on the a fore mentioned Eriba. ( might buy a pipe/ wire detector to locate them)
3/ Or do I just let the professionals do it. Recommendations near Huddersfield.
Thank you in anticipation,
Steve.
RE: Fitting high level awning rail.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:39 pmby eribaMotters • | 5.585 Posts
Steve,
I sent this as a PM to somebody somewhere else. It may clarify a few points:-
In short, the smaller [20mm wide C] profile is neater and I found up to the job. I screwed and Sikaflexed this rail onto my 2007 Troll and subsequent 2006 Familia. You need to do it 100mm abouve the eixting.
- I travelled for the two years I owned my Troll with it on the van and 6 years I owned my Familia.
- I would not attempt this mod on the higher roof post 2010 vans as the curvature does not really allow it to be done succesfully, although one x forum member has fitted a rail.
- You can locate the steelwork, 3 or 4 sections of 20mm square tube, by running your hand firmly across the material lining in the top lockers and with a very strong magnet on the outside. Use lots of masking tape on the outside to mark locations and re-check. I used the door opening as a datum to measure from.
- Masking take above and below where you want the rail to go. Lightly sand it and wipe with meths.
- Having first predrilled and c's'k [twirl a larger drill in your fingers] the holes in the C track mark the holes onto the roof, the original factory holes and your own.
- Drill through the grp with a 2.5 mm drill bit and then twirl with your fingers a larger drill to take the edge of the holes.
- Drill trough into the steel with the 2.5 mm drill bit.
- [2 person job] Offer up the rails and lightly fix into place with screws. If they do not want to go in then don't force them. Remove the screw, go up o.2 mm and try aagin with a new screw. 30mm are needed for the stell fixing and 12/15mm should be fine for into just the grp.
- [2 person job] Remove the rail, squirt the Sikaflex into the holes and along the back of the rail, reposition and screw into place.
- Remove excess [best of luck] and leave to cure for 24hrs.
Colin
aka Oscar - Audi A3 1.5 petrol _ ex 430, 552, camplet trailer tent, 310, now a nice white 2017 430.
RE: Fitting high level awning rail.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:13 pmby Ray Lawrence • | 671 Posts
I only found two steel uprights useable when I installed my high level awning rail recently.
However, I found that the fibreglass skin was not actually touching the rails at the point I wanted. If I had screwed the rail tightly at those points it would have distorted the roof.
In the end I just used a few small screws in to the fibreglass to hold the rail in place as the Sikaflex set.
I've had one trip away since and used an Outdoor Revolution Oxygen 2 air awning which is quite heavy. Managed to get it in place ok and the three days it was up were quite windy.
All good so far.
2007 Triton 430GT - Seat Ateca 1.4TSI petrol manual
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