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5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:21 pm
by Stan Doori | 223 Posts

Some very helpful information about tyre replacement in the previous thread I started. Many thanks for that. I have had wheels and spare replaced.

I have a question. Mine are 5 stud wheels on a Triton 430 from 1997 or thereabouts I believe. IMG_20200811_110422659_copy_600x800.jpg - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)

On the plate the miro is 900kg and mptlm 1000kg. Am I correct in thinking the chassis with 5 studs is actually capable of carrying 1200kg? I think that later Tritons have 1200kg as mptlm.

It would be good to have clarification on this. The tyres are rated to 1068kg so that would obviously limit my payload. But if I had a bit more to play with that would be nice.


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:37 pm
by ross (deleted)
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If the plate says 1000kg then that is your legal max regardless of what the van is capable of. If you ask Hymer then then can issue a new plate up to whatever the van is capable of (you need to pay for this though).


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:16 pm
by JohnE (deleted)
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Stan, if you look under the axle you'll find Al-Ko's oval rating plate which, amongst other things, will show the axle load rating. This is the absolute rating which mustn't be exceeded.
Your brake drums are type 2050 (200mm dia x 50mm wide) with taper roller bearings - these are available with 4 or 5 studs so not always a reliable indication of the axle load.



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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:42 pm
by Stan Doori | 223 Posts

Many thanks for the advice. I'll look for the oval plate. All things considered, I don't think it's worth going through the process of replating. Just carry less stuff!


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:31 pm
by Stan Doori | 223 Posts

Had a burrow under van the other day and found the oval plate on the axle which confirms the 1000kg limit. Screenshot_20200920-151116_copy_540x960.png - Bild entfernt (keine Rechte)
Stan


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:14 pm
by Blobs68 (deleted)
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Aren’t the tyres rated for their load?
Surely each tyre would only have 1/2 the Van after the nose weight is deducted?


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:41 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.605 Posts

The general rule on tyre rating is axle load plus 10% and then divide by two. If you go much higher then you loose some of the suspension effect as the tyre wall is stiff.

Colin


aka Oscar - Audi A3 1.5 petrol _ ex 430, 552, camplet trailer tent, 310, now a nice white 2017 430.
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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:56 pm
by JefL | 95 Posts

And on the Triton axle limit has anyone noticed that the 1000kg to 1200kg upgrade has crept up to 1000kg to 1300kg since 2018?


Jef
Freelander 2 and Big Ben, the 410
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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:16 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.605 Posts

The 4 and 5 stud wheels to axle rating is and never has been straight forward. Since about 2000 it has been reasonable to assume 4 stud = 1000kg and 5 stud = 1200kg on a UK van in particular. This has been my visual guide when seeing a van. This is for the axle but not always for the van. In France where driving licence regulations differ from UK it might have been that a new owner placed an order where the van was badged with a lower max weight than was possible so it would suit their licence. I seem to recall seeing French Tritons rated at 950kg when the axle actually could have taken 1200kg.
From 2018 onwards the 1200kg max has increased to 1300kg. I wonder if this is a reflection on more owners running motor movers and needing that increase to compensate for a 35kg mover and 20kg battery.

Colin


aka Oscar - Audi A3 1.5 petrol _ ex 430, 552, camplet trailer tent, 310, now a nice white 2017 430.


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:56 pm
by JefL | 95 Posts

I do sometimes wonder what people pack in their vans. We have a 410 with a 1200kg axle fitted with a Reich Easydriver Pro mover. Axle weight with food, all our clothes for a week away, a gallon of water, two 4.5kg calor propane bottles, two chairs, barbecue, table etc and we top out at 1105kg plus a nose weight of 60kg. The awning (Kampa pop air) travels in the car boot, mainly to save humping the weight in and out of the van. Same goes for the large Eriba table on the rare occasions we use it, we usually just make do with the slatted table we carry in the van. I hate manhandling the weight of the Eriba table inside the van, it could do so much damage if you lost control of it.
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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:24 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.605 Posts

Add two bikes, clothes for a month, a box of extra food bits and you could be approaching 1200kg.

Colin


aka Oscar - Audi A3 1.5 petrol _ ex 430, 552, camplet trailer tent, 310, now a nice white 2017 430.
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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:51 pm
by eribanaut | 1.228 Posts

Add 2 bikes clothes for 3 months, tools and a few spares [just in case] and you are going towards 1250
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Skoda Kodiaq 2.0 150 Tdi DSG Troll 552 - 2005
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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:57 pm
by Stan Doori | 223 Posts

Planning to get to a weighbridge for peace of mind....


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RE: 5 stud wheels

in Anything Eriba-related Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:07 pm
by eribanaut | 1.228 Posts

I did that, loaded the van as normal and went to our local weighbridge, what do you want it to be she said? 1200 I said, it's 1300 she said, I've since had an axle upgrade to 1300.
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