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Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:13 pm
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Again this is a new one on me but my understanding is that all legit diesel fuel sold in Europe has a Cetane rating of at least 51 and is normally a bit higher if the diesel you purchase is branded. (ie not Supermarket). We are advised never to run with fuel below 48.

VW happily confirm that their engines are OK with supermarket fuel but it would appear that Ford recommend the higher rating given by branded fuel, as far as I can make out, a rating of about 55 to 57.

Would someone like to enlighten me and is it OK to add a drop of Redex into the fuel tank now and again? I think I read somewhere that higher Cetane ratings cause the DPFs to clog more regularly.

Are these ratings quoted at the pumps? Can't say I've ever noticed them?

Similarly, if anyone is able, perhaps you could explain the term octane and petrol?

Randa


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:33 pm
by cabbie37 | 695 Posts

I've run oil burners for years, both here and in Europe and have never heard of the term 'cetane'. I've just looked it up.. I will say that I have alwas thought my cars did fractionally better MPG when running on French (or European) fuel, but that is purely subjective. I think the thing is that what you get at the pump is only ever rated as B7, maybe the 'super' varieties make a difference?. Redex, in my day, was only ever an upper cylinder lubricant and had no effect on octane or any other rating.. Maybe that is different as well, nowadays...


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:38 pm
by Julie Grafo | 3.563 Posts

Just had a word with Neil on this subject. He says you shouldn’t use Redex in a Diesel engine. He’s never heard of Cetane so no help there. What you need is a petrochemical engineer. Having said all that we’ve been running our diesels on supermarket fuel since 2001 with no problems. Never had a clogged DPF either but maybe we’ve been lucky.


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:02 pm
by Inspecta_Gadget | 340 Posts

I’ve had 2 1/2 years of issues with the DPF on my Hyundai and it’s been back under warranty countless times. The warning light would come on at random times and the car would go into limp mode, often whilst towing, which is downright dangerous in my experience.

It was finally resolved (I hope) with a complete replacement of the exhaust and catalyser just before we set off to France in June. Before Hyundai would sign off this expensive replacement, they insisted on a fuel test to make sure it hadn’t been misfuelled or otherwise abused the car.


As I mostly use the car for work, and cover around 30,000 miles/year using pretty much all petrol brands including plenty of supermarkets, whatever is cheapest, I think this shows that all brands are ’safe’ to use.

The only thing I thought was thank god I didn’t try using bio-diesel!


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:35 am
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

Thanks for all your replies so far.

We were Ford people before we became VW owners. TDi Escorts, Galaxy, Focus but having been a VW diesel owner for the past 14 years and happy that they say it'll run on any normal diesel, we were slightly taken aback when we read that Ford diesels prefer higher "cetane" ratings. A word I'd never heard of before but there it is, as clear as day, in the Ford Kuga manual.

Still reeling over the disappointment of having to down grade our beloved Touran, not with diesel issues, we are desperately concerned to get it right with the Ford that has replaced it as the long journey vehicle.

We're not so worried about paying the extra pence for branded diesel but it's far easier to use Supermarket forecourts.

Randa


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:37 am
by eribaMotters | 5.600 Posts

I'm sure if RobJax was still with us he would be in the know. The subject of supermarket fuels has risen it's head many times across lots of forums with some saying never use the stuff.
The same tankers from the same refineries go into the supermarket outlets as the likes of Texaco, etc. It is not that they take anything out of the fuel but it is the little extras they do not put in. They all have to meet minimum requirements. I only know of one person who is really sure there is a difference. He has driven "slightly modified" E class Mercedes diesel's for the last 20 years. He uses the performance side of his vehicles and did note particulate filter issues on his latest Mercedes until he stopped using Tesco diesel in it. I pointed out his low mileage on the car was more likely the culprit. He does continue to use Tesco diesel on his V8 Range Rover and has had no issues.

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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Wed Aug 07, 2024 9:13 am
by Frantone | 112 Posts

Facebook groups including ‘’Kugas with caravans’ (no sniggering at the back please!) and ‘Ford Kuga owners club’ may be useful.
Also Cetane additives are available, search on Amazon.


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:12 am
by Inspecta_Gadget | 340 Posts

Still regretting getting rid of our Kuga just 6 months before reverting to Eribas.
Lovely cars.


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:36 am
by Simboc2004 | 789 Posts

The problem with most supermarket fuels is that you're never quite sure who is supplying them. Personally, after DPF issues with a Volvo C30 2.0 diesel (Ford engine) that I owned from new in 2009, I virtually always fill up with only Shell or BP fuels. Volvo state that their diesel engines only need "standard" B7 fuel - and, indeed, warn against using "Super" type fuels. So, this is what I have done for the past 12 years and several hundred thousand miles in four diesel engined cars - with no DPF or emissions issues.

As a contrast to this, I used to own a 2002 mk4 Golf TDi that I loved. I used to put 25% rapeseed oil in with the diesel - and that ran perfectly, with no emissions or engine issues until I sold it. I stopped using rapeseed oil when bio diesel came in and the rapeseed oil became as expensive as diesel... Modern engines are too complex to do similar things with, although i do have a friend who invested in a processing plant (about £10,000) to make his own vehicle diesel from vegetable oil.

The Science:
Hexadecane (also called cetane) is an alkane hydrocarbon with the chemical formula C16H34. It is a naturally occurring compound in diesel fuel that ignites easily under compression. A purely cetane fuel would be rated at 100; a rating of 55 is seen as the highest "useable' rating, above which any gains in flammability would not benefit the engine (it would ignite too early). Below 48, the ignition of the fuel would be too delayed.

Here's an oil industry producer's thoughts on the question of additives to increase your car's cetane levels:


"There are several practical reasons for using cetane booster additives. These include:

Promoting diesel fuel efficiency by increasing the potential for every droplet sprayed into the combustion chamber to produce more power. This means your fuel will be burning for a longer time, allowing you to get more miles per gallon of fuel and thus, spend less on fuel.
Supporting smoother, more effortless, and faster combustion. The rapid startup and quicker ignition leads to fewer smoke emissions, primarily when used over a significant period. In addition, when fuel is burning more efficiently in the combustion chamber, the exhaust system is left with fewer byproducts to manage.
Giving diesel engines a great cold start by sparking up the ignition and enhancing their responsiveness.
Promoting the efficient distribution of lubricating liquids throughout the engine, reducing the components’ wear and tear. The improved combustion also produces fewer deposits, which ordinarily contribute to engine tear and wear.
Since a higher cetane number allows fuel to burn for longer, the pressure within the combustion chamber rises gradually, leading to minimal noise and less engine knock."

Must You Use Cetane Booster Additives To Obtain A Higher Cetane Number?

"There are two ways of obtaining a higher cetane number in your diesel fuel. The first one is during the refining process by hydro-treating the fuel. However, hydrogen is very scarce and expensive, which makes this process unfavourable. The second option involves using cetane booster additives. However, the challenge with most additives in the market is that they involve a lot of guesswork, making them inherently risky."


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RE: Diesel Fuel Cetane Rating.

in We've got it down to a T Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:22 am
by Randa france | 13.283 Posts

A great report Simon. Thanks for doing that.
Randa


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