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simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:38 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Unless we intend to make a second visit to a particular site \ area the photo's we take first time around will be the only long term memories we have to view in the future ............so its worth taking a few moments to consider the best way to take them.

1 st as an old technophobic mobile phones have always seemed a waste of money to me but technology marches on and built in camera's seem to get better and better ................indeed I recently saw a review where the proudly announced it also makes phone calls

For poor old mobile phone-less me (will I be the last one in the UK?) a bridge camera has long been the way
At one stage I thought a dedicated DSLR was the way to go and spent a fortune on Nikon gear to photograph my cactus plants and failed to grasp the technicalities of such complicated equipment

What I needed was a bridge camera

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_camera

Something that would take pics without a PHD in photography and the secret seemed to be to take loads of images and then delete the bad ones .............



Ok so how to take good ones? the usual answers apply camera shake in low light conditions will scrap your images ect you know the regular answers including using a tripod to steady the camera

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So you want a pic of yourself and \or your partner and there is one-to-one take the shot
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Don't be afraid to put a camera on a tripod even if it looks like a pimple on the tripod ........I'm currently working on a way to attach a spirit level to my tripod as one of my problems is my shoulder injury stops me holding the camera level ..........the expensive tripods have a level built in,

The basic message is take loads of pics and be prepared to delete most of them and don't be afraid to use a tripod even with a small camera it may look silly but it will get results

Travelling solo its the only way to show yourself on photo's
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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:13 pm
by Randa france | 13.258 Posts

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Quote Hob:- What I needed was a bridge camera



Think I've got one of those.....

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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:45 pm
by Randa france | 13.258 Posts

Seriously though Nev, I've never heard of a "bridge camera". As far as I can make out from your link, you still view through the lens as you would with an SLR? Is it still automatic? Basically, would I be right in assuming that it's a point and click with a good lens?
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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:04 am
by Deeps (deleted)
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Quote: Randa france wrote in post #2

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Quote Hob:- What I needed was a bridge camera


Think I've got one of those.....




No, looking at that bridge picture it appears that you only have a 3/4 bridge camera.

The camera that hob is showing is the Panasonic Lumix FZ200, a so-called Bridge Camera. I own the same model, but with lens hood permanently fitted LOL, and the images/videos posted in my recent Yorkshire Dales report were mostly taken with it. Yes, it can be used in the fully automatic mode in which case you've essentially got yourself a posh point and shoot camera. In addition to the usual Av, Tv and P modes found on most cameras nowadays, the camera can also be used in a fully Manual Mode where the user sets the desired Aperture and Shutter speed. Alonside that, there is also the ability to off-set the exposure (+/-) in difficult lighting conditions along with viewing through the lens or fold out monitor on the back of the camera.

So yes, in one respect it's a point and click camera with a good lens but with the handling and features of a dSLR that can capture images in either RAW or JPEG formats along with full HD or SD (incl slow mo) videos. In ideal lighting conditions my wife can produce equally good JPEG images with her Fujipix F600 point and shoot camera. But it's when conditions are not ideal that the Fuji falls by the wayside.

It has to be said though, and this is just my opinion of course, that for those with absolutely no interest in photography in itself and simply want to capture some pictures to record the event/place, and OK, the sky wasn't really that blue but who cares lol, then the cost of a camera like the FZ200 (approx £340 looking at Amazon) just isn't worth it. On the other hand, for the more discerning of users, and for those who do a lot of hiking where a full blown dSLR with various lenses would be far too heavy (like my Canon 7D) a Bridge Camera might just be the answer. It certainly has for me and I've yet to use any of the automatic modes with the FZ200.


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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:52 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

I gave up lugging an SLR and lenses around with me years ago and opted instead for a Panasonic Lumix TZ30 (ZS20) compact with a 24mm wide angle, 20x zoom Leica lens and more bells and whistles than I'll ever use or need. I carry it in a semi-hard case that clips to my belt so it is always to hand when on holiday. I use a mini tripod that came with a Lidl laser spirit level for selfies.

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Most of the time the camera is set to 'landscape' mode or 'program' mode. Why buy a camera with automatic features and not use them?


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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:21 pm
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I now use my i-pad more often than not. It takes very good pics and video and has the advantage of small size and weight. It has even taken a good picture or two of bridges.


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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:20 pm
by Ribski | 1.468 Posts

I'm with Aaron on this - a good quality Compact camera, like his Panosonic, with excellent "point and shoot",coupled with the ability to use fully manually for difficult lighting conditions, is the way to go. Compact and easy to use.

For my "serious" work I have a choice of a couple of Nikon dSlrs plus appropriate lenses. Not the sort of kit you want to carry around on Holiday etc For general use I have a Fuji X 10 compact, I almost always use it on automatic and the results are very acceptable.


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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:37 pm
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Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #5
Most of the time the camera is set to 'landscape' mode or 'program' mode. Why buy a camera with automatic features and not use them?


Quite a coincidence that you should mention the TZ30 (TZ31 here in Europe), Aaron, because I owned one before replacing it with the FZ200. I couldn't live with the poor image quality though (my opinion obviously) and ended up selling it via Fleebay.

Here's an example image, and a 1:1 crop of the same, to highlight what I and many other reviewers believe are the major shortcomings with this camera. Whilst a quick glance at the image of the train might lead one to think "yes, well that's OK" - when a 1:1 section of the image is looked at with a more discerning eye the shortcomings become apparent. The entire image is very soft - try making out the writing on either of the two train shields. The image is also extremely noisy and by that I mean it looks as though it's been printed on paper with an orange peel texture.

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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:09 pm
by Wordspace (deleted)
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I use a slightly older version, the Lumix DMC-FZ50, albeit with a Leica badge on it, when I want reasonable quality combined with digital simplicity. Before I retired I used it to illustrate the stories I worked on, and it was perfect for that: high enough resolution and good enough image quality in RAW format to give an A4-sized magazine page, with the portability and convenience of an uncomplicated point-and-shoot.

Where bridge cameras (those cameras that "bridge the divide" between the old-fashioned amateur and professional designations) have a problem is that they are usually limited to one lens, usually a zoom, which is an immediate compromise; these lenses are not especially "fast" (from memory, mine opens up only to f3.2), so selective focusing is less easy to achieve; even Leitz's Vario-Elmar lenses as used on these Panasonic Lumix models tend to go a bit soft and dim in the corners; and there is usually a significant shutter lag, or delay between pressing the shutter and recording the image, which sometimes means the magic moment is lost. However, none of these need be a barrier to taking great pictures, you just have to be a bit selective about your subjects.

In the final analysis, though, the camera is just a tool; it takes a great photographer to make a great picture. And I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a great photographer. So the bridge suits me just fine.

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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:20 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

This September outside the Verdun Ossuary, there was a woman with a whole plate camera and an industrial scale tripod taking pictures and developing them under a hood at the rear of her car. She was selling her prints and the image quality was incredible, but try lugging all that kit around with you on a bike ride along the coast.

Some of the people who attended the Eribafolk meet will have seen the photo book that I put together of 'Travels with the Triton' and from the comments received from those and others who have seen it, I have no concerns about image quality. Indeed, the most frequent comment received is, "You must have a fantastic camera!".

Wordspace is right, it's not the quality of the camera, the focal length of the lens or the number of pixels that matters, it's the composition of the subject matter that makes the difference between a snap and a picture worthy of enlargement. After all, who enlarges their holiday shots beyond A4 size? And as for examining pictures under a magnifying glass, well I have better things to do with my life.


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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:10 pm
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Absolutely right.
I saw the book and it was very impressive.

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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:47 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Quote: Wordspace wrote in post #9
I use a slightly older version, the Lumix DMC-FZ50, albeit with a Leica badge on it, when I want reasonable quality combined with digital simplicity. Before I retired I used it to illustrate the stories I worked on, and it was perfect for that: high enough resolution and good enough image quality in RAW format to give an A4-sized magazine page, with the portability and convenience of an uncomplicated point-and-shoot.


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The Lumix DMC-FZ50 is a good piece of kit I have one myself ..........I bought a Nikon DSLR and a fortune in macro lenses and multi flash units in pursuit of great images of my plants ............but failed miserably ........either something was wrong with the kit or my IQ was too small to work wonders I found myself using the lumix and the nikon kit occupied a whole cupboard in the kitchen unused until recently when i found a place that bought second hand gear and I elected to upgrade to the latest (or almost) lumix as for me the number one priority is a good lens (and Panasonic own leica the best lens makers in the world)

The nikon kit was sold and an FZ200 bought (with a couple of hundred quid left over)

I then went back to basics as I had in the search for good plant shots and the answers were
1 eliminate camera shake ( answers were use a tripod when possible and trigger the camera with the self timer to prevent camera movement)

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2 control the light (if you can) move the subject into the shade to reduce contrast or shoot with the sun behind you instead of shooting into it
3 and to say again shoot at least 5 where one will do .................you can always delete 4 of them later but if the only one does not come out ......................you lost a memory for life ..............


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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:27 pm
by crow (deleted)
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Buy yourself a monopod, or a hiking pole and rest the camera against it.
I use a DSLR and a Fuji X20 with a heavy Benbo Tripod for some shots
but a Gittos 3290 Monopod is a lot easier to carry and can double as a
walking stick (with some types) https://photographylife.com/how-to-use-a-monopod
http://www.7dayshop.com/products/7daysho...essories-DS-044
A simpler job would be one of those plastic "canes" from a garden centre,
I use it with a two inch piece of plywood with a hole drilled in it just slightly
bigger than the diameter of the cane. This will allow it to move up and down
the cane but to lock when you rest your camera against the plywood platform.
Very good for macro work.



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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:38 pm
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: crow wrote in post #13
Buy yourself a monopod, or a hiking pole and rest the camera against it.
You can use a wooden leg if you've got one.

You need to sit down first, though.

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RE: simple photography

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:53 pm
by Deeps (deleted)
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Quote: crow wrote in post #13
Buy yourself a monopod, or a hiking pole and rest the camera against it.



I've used the Trailwise Photo Shoot Pole for a number of years now when out hiking etc and can highly recommend it. http://www.trailwise.co.uk/photo-shoot-poles-now-stock


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