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Awning brackets - am I missing a trick here?

in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:15 pm
by Pepé Le Pew •

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These are the times when it's a pain not to have a huge garden (like what that v. rich Mr Cauldron has) to put the caravan on while I have a trial run of our new awning...

This lunchtime I tootled down to where our van is to brush off some pigeon doings, check a few bits and pieces and make sure that the metal awning rail brackets are in the right place for the frame.

The two outer ones are the correct distance apart, though I still need to attach the central stirrup loop thing* to take the flat end of the short gable pole. The third bracket above the side window is a redundant red herring, by the way.

However...

It looks to me as if those two outer brackets need to be moved towards the front of the body. This is primarily because I reckon that the current location of the front one almost directly over the end outline marker light (to the right of the door) is going to cause a problem in that the awning material won't sit flush to the side of the van with it where it is.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't move the front forward a bit one so that the drop be will clear of the marker light fitting? Obviously the rear one will need to be moved away from the back corner a corresponding amount to maintain the correct spacing.

Now I may well be wrong and it will fit properly as is, but having looked at the corresponding bracket on the photos of secondhand Trolls on the AL site they're all positioned to better clear the marker.

Hopefully you can see what I mean on the photos below. I'm sorry they're quite so big, but they will click and zoom to make it easier to see what I'm on about.

I'm talking about moving them two and a half or three inches, that's all.

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*Thanks again to top geezer Eric for the loop bracket

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:26 pm
by Frantone (deleted)

What ho Mr P
Are you sayng that the front marker light is what is going to prevent material from being flush with the side?
It looks to me as if the light is sufficiently forward of the bracket to let the material fall vertically behind the light.

Why not just rotate the front bracket back? Only one new hole required to drill into the van (and one to plug) thus gaining a little more clearance. You wouldn't have to move the rear bracket and the vertical central pole has enough adjustment to take up any slack in the fabric.
TonyP

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:32 pm
by Agger (deleted)

Just been out and took photo's of ours on an 04 Troll 540 hope that helps?

I'd just like to say how clean your van is! Well done, it looks lovely

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:34 pm
by Pepé Le Pew •

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Quote: Frantone wrote in post #2
What ho Mr P
Are you saying that the front marker light is what is going to prevent material from being flush with the side?
It looks to me as if the light is sufficiently forward of the bracket to let the material fall vertically behind the light.

Why not just rotate the front bracket back? Only one new hole required to drill into the van (and one to plug) thus gaining a little more clearance. You wouldn't have to move the rear bracket and the vertical central pole has enough adjustment to take up any slack in the fabric.
TonyP

I thought it would be a bit tight. Is the awning drop directly beneath the centre of the bracket (allowing for half the diameter of the eaves pole)?

I apologise if these questions are a bit dim, but you have to bear in mind that

a) this is our first proper awning

b) much as I'd like to I can't just nip out and offer it up, and

c) the only truly stupid question is the one you don't ever ask.

Rotating the front bracket is a top idea though

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:48 pm
by Randa france •

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Zitat
Quote Frantone:- Why not just rotate the front bracket back? Only one new hole required to drill into the van

That Frantone is a clever old bean isn't he? I'm impressed
I've included a couple of photos of ours which shows the front bracket a bit further back from the light that yours. However we have a bit more space as it's a 530 so the door is further back.
However, it still interferes with the awning drop, at least on our awning, as can be seen. It doesn't cause that much of a problem however.
What I think is important is that the front and rear brackets are not encroaching onto the curve of the van for that's where the problems will occur. Also remember that the awning sides flare out by about 10 degrees from the vertical.

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1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:02 pm
by Pepé Le Pew •

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Quote: Randa france wrote in post #5

I've included a couple of photos of ours which shows the front bracket a bit further back from the light that yours.

That's very helpful. Thanks. Our awning does have a long flap outside the line of the drop like yours does, and if anything it's wider.

Our van has non-standard marker lights which stick out a bit more than the stock ones, and I've a feeling that if I leave the bracket where it is (or even move it back its own length by rotating it) we'll have the kind of lump under the flap that you get if you make a bed with someone in it.

Apropos of not having the bracket too close to (or even on) the rail curve, the rear bracket on ours does look to be quite a long way back as it is.

My gut feeling is that getting the marker just inside the awning is the most elegant solution even if it means drilling four more holes and blanking four existing ones off.

But then again that might just be Grade A chumpery on my part...

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:08 pm
by Randa france •

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Yes and looking at your photos, I think that if you move it back then you could be encroaching the rear curve of the van. Perhaps it needs to be moved forward just a tad to a similar position to Agger's which is right on top of the light.
Does your awning have the foam sealing bumper on the end of the flappy bit? It's nigh on impossible to get it to be completely draught free but that's the bit that does all the work of sealing the awning to the van.
Randa

1999 Eriba Troll 530 pushing a VW Touran 2L TDi Match

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:14 pm
by Pepé Le Pew •

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Quote: Randa france wrote in post #7

Does your awning have the foam sealing bumper on the end of the flappy bit?

Squeak...

I don't know. We haven't got a room in the house big enough to open it out in, and it's persisting down outside.

Not that you'd expect it to be raining inside, of course.

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:26 pm
by Randa france •

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It doesn't look as though it has.

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:34 pm
by crow (deleted)

Beware of the curve, I would leave it until you can erect the awning properly,
and see what you are doing, proper like, act in haste, repent at leisure.
I blanked the holes with stainless steel csk. set screws tapped and csk.
flush silicone sealed.

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:40 pm
by crow (deleted)

Where is your nearest campsite for a fitting (suits you sir)

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:05 pm
by Pop540 (deleted)

no not silicone it degrades the fibre stuff roof made from
brain fade sorry
fill with is it tetroseal or something like
anyhow check the blog to see what is under the awning rail
but you will need to drill
regards
P

Eriba troll 540 likes constant hugs, and buffs and the odd cuppa.

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:14 pm
by Argie (deleted)

On my new 540 the brackets were fitted by A/L. The front one is just slightly ahead of the light but before the curve.....

"Tugging a Troll called Eva" with my Honda CRV 2.2L i-DTEC

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:01 am
by Deeps (deleted)

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #7

Does your awning have the foam sealing bumper on the end of the flappy bit?

If we're referring to the Walking awning then yes there is a foam sealing bumper on the end of the flappy bit.

2013 Triton 430, VW Touran TDI BM

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in Making the most of that expensive pitch Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:33 am
by Frantone (deleted)

I fitted the front bracket here.........
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Getting it as far forward as possible allows just that little bit more door opening!

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