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Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:26 pm
by Loveourtroll (deleted)
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Well we have come away in our new troll 3rd trip since we got her and we have had a problem. We charged our 12v battery under the seat in the fitted charging unit when we came back from our day out our neighbours told us that an alarm had been sounding. It was our carbon monoxide arlarm and the caravan smelt bad and seat was red hot! we unplugged from power switched of gas etc. disconnected battery terminal then went back onto mains power as the nice man on the Cravan club site gave us a fan to cool the battery down enough to remove it, while we sat outside and waited thank goodness we had a bottle of vino in the fridge.

thankfully no lasting damage done we think, but I think this might be why we all had sore throughout that morning!

We brought our caravan used from a dealer with no instructions they said they didn't supply a battery for our battery charge facility. Could it be that we have used the wrong type of battery? What is the right type? Can the charge facility on board over charge the battery so it bubbles and hisses and gives off gases like ours have or is there something wrong with it.


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:43 pm
by Agger (deleted)
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For my twopennyworth your battery is charging but not cutting out!! Therefore it is giving off dangerous noxious fumes. Myself, I'd change the charger and replace the battery with a gel type leisure battery, (you may have a leisure battery that is older and the newer ones aremuch better imho) a battery should last years and in over 28 years of white box / Eriba ownership I only ever had 4 batteries!

I may be wrong but thats my opinion, someone will correct it if I'm wrong

Edit. Further to the above you really want John E (i think from memory) he knows his stuff


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:58 pm
by JohnE (deleted)
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Quote: Loveourtroll wrote in post #1
Could it be that we have used the wrong type of battery? What is the right type? Can the charge facility on board over charge the battery so it bubbles and hisses and gives off gases like ours have or is there something wrong with it.

You rang, Agger

Batteries which can be installed safely in the habitation area are sealed lead acid and gel type. Most modern leisure batteries are sealed.

If a battery gets hot when charging it is either due to a faulty battery or the charger is faulty and supplying too high an output voltage. A lead acid battery will gas at 14.5V and above.

You need to check the charger's output voltage when connected to a good battery - it should be about 13.6V.

There is a common fault on the BIP charger which causes the output to rise above 17 Volts.

John


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:05 pm
by Agger (deleted)
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Well done always good to get proper advice on issues of safety! Glad to see we have at least 1 who knows what he's talking about


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:06 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

I was just about to suggest checking with a voltmeter when you answered the question, John.

After discharging our 85 amp/hour battery with the mover, our charger delivers 14.4v and shortly afterwards drops back to a constant 13.8v maintenance charge.

After our tribulations with the dreaded BIP unit, the new charger has performed faultlessly.

This article may be of help: How to replace BIP unit


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:59 pm
by Poptop320 | 2.631 Posts

I met a couple in York Rowntree CC this year who had a Familia 310, their bip unit had also cooked their battery. They had gone out for the day and came back to a van full of smoke and bulging leisure battery....


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:45 pm
by Frantone (deleted)
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This may be unnecessary information but I feel it's worth stating that if you found your battery hot to the touch DO NOT move it! It may be close to exploding and the consequences would be awful.


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:03 pm
by Loveourtroll (deleted)
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We didn't move it as was scared about exploding issue hence we sat outside with a fan on battery til it had cooled down enough to move and was still cautious even then! We where both very concerned that it might explode so didn't want it staying in the van!

We will obviously have to get a new battery which type should we get?

I can get my husband to check the volt thing! I'm away in the van on my own next weekend so we need to get it sorted for then. Luckily we are on a caravan club site with all facilities so can use electric but my trip next weekend is just a field!


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:50 pm
by JohnE (deleted)
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Quote: Loveourtroll wrote in post #8
...which type should we get?

A battery's capacity is measured in ampere-hours (Ah) - if you camp off grid a lot of the time, the more ampere-hours the better.

And if you have a motor mover - or think you might have one fitted in the near future - you'll need a battery with a capacity of at least 85Ah and ideally around 100Ah.

Another factor to be aware of is its size and weight, and it will need to be secured to prevent it shifting around.

Tayna supply a wide range of leisure batteries - and Just Car Batteries don't just sell car batteries

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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:36 pm
by Loveourtroll (deleted)
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Thanks guys we are going to look into getting a gel one I think our old one was a sealed not gel. It was 100Ah so will look for another one same as we are hoping to get a motor mover in the future! How do we know if ours is a bip unit?


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:51 pm
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

If you have a BIP unit it will look like this:

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It's vital that you check out your charging rate with a voltmeter though otherwise the same problem could recur even with a brand new battery.


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:17 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Loveourtroll wrote in post #10
Thanks guys we are going to look into getting a gel one I think our old one was a sealed not gel.
You might want to consider an AGM (absorbed glass mat) battery rather than a gel. They're cheaper, equally spill-proof and maintenance-free and rather more resilient than gel batteries.

It'll do everything that a gel will do, and because they outsell gel batteries there are far more around to choose from. For what it's worth, I'd go for a quality make like Varta or Bosch. They are standard fit in lots and lots of new cars.

We got one of these - we've got a mover - and it's been faultless. An equivalent gel battery would have been a lot more expensive for no apparent gain.

I'm really not convinced at all that it's worth buying a dedicated 'Leisure' battery, and often paying a premium for the privilege. Car batteries have a really hard life these days what with stop-start and stuff, and if they last for yonks in a big, expensive and over-complicated car I'm sure they can cope with caravan use.

You might have a look here.

And don't buy a battery from Halfords. Get it online. Actually, I wouldn't buy anything at all from Halfords. They are very expensive, and by and large the staff don't know one end of a spark plug from the other.

One other thing - batteries like being constantly used and fully charged. If it goes unused for months and is allowed to go flat repeatedly, it'll croak.

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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:30 am
by Agger (deleted)
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Quote: Pepé Le Pew wrote in post #12
I wouldn't buy anything at all from Halfords. They are very expensive, and by and large the staff don't know one end of a spark plug from the other.
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They do if you insert it properly seconded for Varta or Bosch


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:49 am
by Aaron Calder | 3.834 Posts

You might find this article useful: CCC Guide to batteries


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RE: Battery advise please help

in Anything Eriba-related Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:09 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #14
You might find this article useful: CCC Guide to batteries

There are parts of that article which make me feel a bit more better about what I wrote. This bit does:

'In contrast, a leisure battery has to provide a steady flow of current over a prolonged period and seldom gets replenished until the user recognises that its voltage level has substantially fallen. That’s when a re-charge is duly provided. If left long in a discharged state, a battery will generally not regain its former condition. Furthermore, manufacturers often recommend that re-charging is commenced when a battery drops to 50 per cent of its full condition.

To achieve the required performance, a leisure battery is constructed in a way that copes better with a life of repeated significant discharging followed by re-charging. This is referred to as ‘deep cycling’'...




AGM car batteries are supposed to be able to cope with deep cycling particularly well, so if being able to do that is a primary requirement I still can't see the logic in stumping up extra for a 'Leisure' battery, gel or otherwise.

When I was working out what to replace our dead gel battery with (before I bought that Varta AGM) I found out that Hymer themselves were fitting car AGMs instead of the much more expensive Deta gels on battery-equipped vans. Now it's entirely possible that they did this because they got a good deal on a truckful of Varta AGMs, but I doubt they'd fit something demonstrably unsuited to the job.

The other thing I wish these articles would make clear is at what voltages a 12v battery is fully-charged, partially-discharged and utterly comatose with a DNR note safety-pinned to its chest. They should. There are plenty of percentage charge charts on the 'net.

And it strikes me that you'll struggle to find two articles which give exactly the same advice* about batteries. They're darkly mysterious things and no mistake.

* It's like not being able to find any two takeaway Indian menus which spell poppadom the same way.

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