I'm not sure whether there is one simple answer to this, but I'll ask anyway.

Does anyone know what's included in the unladen weight (or mass in running order, if that's what it's called now) of these vans?

Is it the sum of the weight of the base specification van plus essentials like a gas cylinder (or possibly two), a hook-up cable and some provision for water?

The appropriate bit of the owners manual suggests that the unladen weight includes 40 litres of water (in an onboard tank rather than just sloshing around) and a full toilet system (not a full toilet, presumably), so does that mean if you travel with no water in the flush tank and don't have an onboard fresh water tank you can deduct a total of fifty-odd kilos from that quoted unladen weight?

I realise that once you've got the unladen weight you have to add all the other fixed extras like a stabiliser, a mover, its (or a) battery, the spare wheel, external lockers, a water heater, the door flyscreen and so on if you've got them, and that's before adding the bits of kit you've put in it yourself (like a telly, solar panel or radio), what you need (like water containers, toilet chemicals and cooking stuff) let alone all the other crap that you routinely take on holiday.

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Quote: Frantone wrote in post #2

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A good question Monsieur. I hope the answers are factual and not just opinions!

It seems strange that a battery is not deemed part of the running order and have you seen any mention of the spare wheel in the regulations?

TonyP

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As per the ownwers manual, lots of things are not included in the unladen weight, but an allowance for water and gas is made. These allow the vehicle to be habitable.
BS EN 1646-2 “Leisure accommodation vehicles for caravans' includes full gas and water , “This has been equated to 30 kg”

Talking of weights, some may find the attached a bit of a shock.

Colin

Quote: eribaMotters wrote in post #5

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As per the ownwers manual, lots of things are not included in the unladen weight, but an allowance for water and gas is made. These allow the vehicle to be habitable.
BS EN 1646-2 “Leisure accommodation vehicles for caravans' includes full gas and water , “This has been equated to 30 kg”

Talking of weights, some may find the attached a bit of a shock.

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I am not responsible for the ironing board.

I take a long lead when in France and have actually needed the near full length of the 50m on two occasions.
Fridge weight is for fully stocked.
Grey water bin sounds posh to me, we use a bucket.
First aid in car as always available.
Camera and kindle in car [along with anything valuable or pinchable]. No laptop when away.

Some wine will go in the van on the way home when fridge running low. Rest in the car.

Colin

Quote: hob wrote in post #10

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Watching this with interest Pete but not very helpful I'm afraid as my manual is either German or Dutch (not sure which even)

Can't help wondering what the safety margin of an axle is though? 100% maybe?

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I sold my 2006 Familia 310GT recently. When I bought it the rating was 850kg. I contacted Hymer and paid to have it re-registered and have a new body plate supplied stating 900kg. No work was required. I did ask for a 1050kg rating as this was what the Alko axle was rated at. Hymer would not do this as although the axle could take the load the body and axle combination had only been tested to 900kg.
If I had removed the body plate and towed at 1050kg I still do not know what my legal position would have been if stopped and the vehicle inspected.

Colin