Rear window Eriba Car
Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:10 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
My first question for the forum.
Our rear (opening) window has a leak. We've had our Eriba Car a couple of months but last weekend was the first time it had been rained on! It's kept under cover at home. I can see that water is getting in between the body and the exterior window frame at the top and dripping onto the bed eventually.
Can I use silicone sealant as a repair or does it have to be a mastic (non-setting presumably)? We live miles out in the country and it's not exactly easy to nip out or even find the right product, whereas I do have silicone in my workshop.
Basstrom79
EDIT: I've now removed the inner and outer frames and glass. The seal appears to be in reasonable state but there's loads of grey mastic, more than I would have thought necessary, all around the frame and embedded in the grooves of the rubber seal. It's mostly gone hard and dry. I'm not sure if this is a previous attempt at stopping a leak. I now think I must use a mastic, but which? There's something specifically for camping vehicles/caravans?
It's 60km to my nearest dealer so I need to be sure that I get the correct product. Any suggestions?
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:35 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
The recommended sealant for use on caravans and motorhomes is Sikaflex 512 (see here)
Are you sure that the water is entering via the window seals? I ask because water on the rear bench of the caravans is most likely entering via the high-level brake light (which may or may not be fitted on your vehicle.)
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RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:41 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
Hi, your post crossed with my edit.
Thanks for the product reference, that's exactly the info I was after.
Yes, I'm sure the water is coming in at the top centre of the joint between the outer (grey) frame and the bodywork. I've don't some careful pouring from a watering can, and my van doesn't have a high-level light there; in fact there's nothing above the window until you get to the pop-up roof section and that looks dry.
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:52 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
Aaron, I can see that this is available over here too, now that I know what I'm looking for! (A bit more expensive than in UK as usual) It will have to be grey or black, not white.
I'm assuming that it just needs a decent bead all around the mating surfaces, both surfaces of the actual rubber seal, rather than the buckets-full that is there now? It looks as though someone has attempted to plug the whole gap between the frame and body. It's all coming off quite easily as it's gone hard. When I screw the inner frame back into the outer it should squeeze together and seal?
A trip to town in prospect!
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:29 pmby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
I'm not sure I'd agree with the estimable Mr Cauldron as far as the ubiquitous use of Sikaflex 512 is concerned. It's more than just a sealant, it's an adhesive as well. It's the kind of thing you'd use for mounting an Omnistor-type awning cassette or a solar panel to the roof rather than just providing a non-setting seal per se.
If there's likely to be any movement in the parts to be sealed, temperature-induced or otherwise, and if the fixing of one part to another is mechanical means rather than by contact alone, I'd be more inclined to use a non-setting butyl mastic of the kind used by the factory to seat the awning/gutter and waist rail extrusions.
I've used it to re-seat a length of awning rail on our Troll; it stays flexible (sometimes a bit more than you'd like in hot weather, as anyone who's had to clean excess factory mastic from under the awning rail will attest) and is pretty easy - if potentially a bit messy - to use. It cleans off with a blunt scraper and a rag dipped in white spirit, even many years after initial application.
I've had some experience with sealant type adhesives which sometimes grab faster than you'd like, and were an absolute bugger to remove if they went where they weren't supposed to go. Sikaflex 512 cures by contact with the moisture in the atmosphere - and relatively quickly at that - and needs a special Sika solvent to remove any excess before it cures. Once cured, it won't come off easily at all, not even with the solvent.
It's only my humble opinion, but I think I'd use butyl mastic. Apart from being what Eriba themselves use, it's much more forgiving.
And cheaper...
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RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:26 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:53 pmby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
Quote: Aaron Calder wrote in post #6I'm not 100% certain that I am, mate - it just seemed to be a better option.
I'm sure you are right, Pete.
It's quite possible that I'm testiculating... *
* talking bo***cks
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RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:02 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
OK guys, I can see where you're going with this. Do you have a product reference for this butyl type then, please? It'll help if I can quote a specific product. I was all set to go to the dealer this afternoon but got delayed, perhaps just as well. I had already phoned to see if they had the 512 in stock, which they have (21€ !) so I've saved that now. I plan to go in the morning. I suppose I can just ask them what they recommend!
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:48 pmby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
Quote: basstrom79 wrote in post #8Hopefully to a place that ends up with you using the most appropriate thing.
OK guys, I can see where you're going with this.
Quote: basstrom79 wrote in post #8This is what I used. If there's a difference between it and the stuff used when the van was put together at the factory, I'm buggered if I can see what it is. I know it says 'sealant and adhesive', but it isn't sealant and adhesive in the same way as Sikaflex. Not in a million years. It's adhesive because it's sticky, that's all.
Do you have a product reference for this butyl type then, please? It'll help if I can quote a specific product.
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yy-R56kh
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:03 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
Blimey, that's a bit cheaper than the 21€ I was quoted for the 512 !!
So, this is basically a building mastic and you're saying that the properties are good enough for what I intend to use it for.
I'm going tomorrow and I'll report back on what I get advised at the local (60kms away) dealer. I could get some of this stuff from Castorama (B&Q) where it would be cheaper, and there's a store only about 2km from the caravan place, so I should get fixed up (!!) one way or the other.
Thanks for the replies.
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:38 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
I still have in my garage a tin of 'Dum Dum' mastic which used to be the standard sealant for use on cars but it no longer seems to be on sale.
Butyl sealant is recommended as an alternative on car forums so I reckon Pete is spot on with his advice. Black sealant is also available in strip form from car accessory shops in the UK.
Best of luck with your product search and let us know how you get on with the repair - we love feedback.
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RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:03 pmby ChrisCM (deleted)
I've just got hold of some W4 mastic sealing strip, non setting, designed for sealing and re-bedding caravan fittings, to do the fridge vents on our Eriba Car. I think it will work on your application. Cost £8.46 for 5m x 19mm roll from Amazon, they also do 32 and 45mm wide.
Chris
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RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:15 pmby Poptop320 • | 2.634 Posts
I used Tetrostat 2759 when I replaced my Windows, it is a non setting flexible sealant. I got it from Jandi caravans. I also use it on anything I take off the Eriba that is external and put back on again such as the moving handles to ensure that water does not track down.
http://www.eribacaravans.co.uk
http://camperukonline.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=886
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RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:01 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
Poptop, I've found several references to Terostat 2759 and it appears to be the recommended product over here.
I like to go into the shop with a product in mind, at least it gives the assistant an idea of what I'm trying to do.
I'll report back.
RE: Rear window Eriba Car
in Anything Eriba-related Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:30 pmby basstrom79 (deleted)
Hi guys, here's my report! A fruitless morning really, 125km round trip and a thumping headache.
There are 2 leisure/caravan dealers, both of whom stocked Sikaflex 512 and 515, the latter being their recommend mastic for sealing rather than sticking. Neither are butyl so I moved on to Castorama (the French sister-company to B&Q) and had a look at their general mastics (although aimed at building maintenance). The only butyl mastic they had is a Rubson one for roofing repairs. I bought a cartridge of that (grey) at 15€ on the basis that I wasn't coming home empty-handed!
The decision now is whether to order my now-preferred Terostat 2759 by mail-order with the consequent delay, probably a week, or just carry on with the butyl mastic I bought today. The camping car is windowless at the moment and I naturally prefer to get the window back in soon.
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