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12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:52 pm
by mr_underhill | 688 Posts

Can someone check my thoughts and see if I am on the right track please.
I need to use my Ipad whilst away, so ...if I was somewhere without 240v mains supply, could I use a cigarette lighter socket, fed from the 12v battery ( with inline fuse ) to power it using an inverter ?

Something like this ?

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12V Modified Sinewave 100W Inverter.

Then if I were to get a portable solar panel, what size would I need ?

From a non techy Grandad...Thanks for any replies.


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:03 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Why convert to 240v? something like this has the same ends

Werbung: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BELKIN-2-1A-USB-CAR-CHARGER-IPAD-IPHONE-6-PLUS-5S-5C-4S-IN-RETAIL-PACKAGING-/252830245323?var=&hash=item3adddb61cb:m:mLZrVIs6VfMZejrOWNRyo5A


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:09 pm
by mr_underhill | 688 Posts

I have that in the car and like to have a set for the caravan, so I guess that's easier. :)


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:56 am
by Pudelwagen (deleted)
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Does anyone know if those cigarette lighter chargers will work alright with the 12v rectifìed supply provided by the Eriba mains unit?


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:54 am
by hob (deleted)
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Quote: Pudelwagen wrote in post #4
Does anyone know if those cigarette lighter chargers will work alright with the 12v rectifìed supply provided by the Eriba mains unit?


I'm not convinced all of the 12v system from the mains is in fact 12v dc ........... some from led bulb behaviour may in fact be 12 v ac

Hopefully someone else will know more.

If on mains hookup use a mains 240v type charger?


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:35 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: hob wrote in post #5
Quote: Pudelwagen wrote in post #4
Does anyone know if those cigarette lighter chargers will work alright with the 12v rectifìed supply provided by the Eriba mains unit?


I'm not convinced all of the 12v system from the mains is in fact 12v dc ........... some from led bulb behaviour may in fact be 12 v ac

Hopefully someone else will know more.

If on mains hookup use a mains 240v type charger?
I know something. I'm not sure if it's more, necessarily...

The lighting circuits (i.e. the 12V feeds from the transformer, via the fuses) on our van are 12V AC.

Incandescent light bulbs work on either DC or AC, though LED replacements - especially cheap ones - may not. That's why it's a safer bet to use LED replacements which will operate on AC or DC, and on a variable voltage rather than 12V dead. You can't count on the BIP transformer's output being exactly 12V (and a smooth 12V at that) because it won't be. In the case of a motor using DC it makes little difference if it's being fed 11V or 15V DC, and likewise the incandescent bulbs.

Anything which depends on a precise, smooth 12V DC to operate (and this includes some, but not all, LEDs) needs to be fed via the battery or by means of an independent 230V AC - 12V DC transformer similar to the kind supplied with televisions.

There are three 12V DC feeds, all of which power equipment which uses a motor. The supplied motors use DC. These are the fan for the heater's blown air feature and the water pump(s).

Our BIP unit is standard, but it isn't equipped with a battery charger. I don't know if vans equipped with the charger and battery (i.e. the autonomy pack) are similarly configured.

The manual's circuit digrams aren't clear in that particular regard.

It's quite easy to check with a multimeter, though.

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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:05 pm
by hob (deleted)
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You have confirmed what I tried to say ............... the poster above my post was asking if the supply ....... or some part ? of the supply was suitable for using to charge some other devices............. tablet, phone type presumably, I was reluctant to give advice on that for some of the reasons you mention ie voltage stability ac or dc hence my advice to use a mains charger where the plug has a lump on it which presumably has internal parts that provide the correct voltage and current needed.


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:15 pm
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Quote: hob wrote in post #7
...or some part ? of the supply was suitable for using to charge some other devices............. tablet, phone type presumably, I was reluctant to give advice on that for some of the reasons you mention ie voltage stability ac or dc hence my advice to use a mains charger where the plug has a lump on it which presumably has internal parts that provide the correct voltage and current needed.
I think that's pretty sound, Nev. If the supply intended for use is demonstrably coming via the battery then it's okay to use as is for anything which requires a smooth 12V DC.

For anything else I agree - the safe option is to use a 230V AC to 12V (or whatever voltage is needed) DC stand-alone transformer/adaptor

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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:52 pm
by mr_underhill | 688 Posts

Just to put your minds at rest the intention was to connect a double USB cigarette lighter type item directly to the leisure battery under the bench seat, with an inline fuse.
I am not sure what the electrics in my van are good enough for. it is my intention to ask somebody who knows, maybe hob or Pepe , to have a look at the Stratford meet. As a forewarning, in order to get the 12 V working in my caravan I have to reconnect the white 12 S lead, which I do not use it from the car, to its respective socket under the front of the caravan ! One does love quirkiness ...... not !


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:31 pm
by Pudelwagen (deleted)
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A couple of points re 12v dc
Firstly, on a normal car cigarette socket, the voltage would be around 12v with the engine stopped but more like 14v with the engine running.
Secondly, cheap inverters don't necessarily give a smooth ac current. It can be a bit spiky, more like square waves than sine waves.

I was wondering if these usb chargers would be ok on such a supply. I don't think that the Eriba rectifier for the water pumps has any fom of smoothing. It appears to come directly from the transformer via a couple of diodes.



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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:48 pm
by hob (deleted)
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I don't really understand why if you are on hook up you wish to tap into the mains transformed 12v supply when a mains charger will work from a 240 volt ac supply without any risk to the article being charged?


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:14 am
by mr_underhill | 688 Posts

I was on a field last week without a mains supply and just thought that it would be easier to be able to charge the phone and Ipad without leaving them in the car. I intend to feed this usb socket directly from the 12v battery under the seat, not tap in anywhere else.


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RE: 12v to 240v inverter ?

in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:21 pm
by DBVWT (deleted)
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Just read the last post so apologies if I've missed something or it's been covered already!
I fitted one of these last year (not from 12v planet but they are readily available online) for charging phones/iPad and it has performed superbly. I wired it direct from the leisure battery with a suitable inline fuse.
http://www.12voltplanet.co.uk/12v-24v-re...ket-5v-21a.html



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