#16

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:56 am
by eribanaut | 1.228 Posts

We have something like the Tickettack factory fitted on the driver side of the Skoda, does this mean an automatic fail when we get an MOT in 3 tears?
Dave


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#17

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:00 am
by eribaMotters | 5.588 Posts

Pepe, to me the problems lies in #9 paragraph 2. This situation should not exist.

Colin


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#18

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:01 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: eribanaut wrote in post #16
We have something like the Tickettack factory fitted on the driver side of the Skoda, does this mean an automatic fail when we get an MOT in 3 tears?
Dave
Take it out before you get the car tested.

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#19

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:03 am
by Poptop320 | 2.631 Posts

My mate has an old defender and took it for an MOT, he had left his sat nav and dash cam stuck to the window, the MOT inspector told him to remove them as it would be an instant fail.

Here is the Dept of transport document, its been in force since 2010

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...ear-windscreens


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#20

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:11 am
by eribanaut | 1.228 Posts

I'd probably have to take the windscreen out.
Dave


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#21

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:13 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: eribaMotters wrote in post #17
Pepe, to me the problems lies in #9 paragraph 2. This situation should not exist.

Colin
No it shouldn't, but I think it's a little bit unrealistic to hope that Bill the tester will take up the cudgels on your behalf.

I suppose if I felt strongly enough about it (and I have to admit that I don't simply because it doesn't affect me) I'd start off by writing to my MP, but I wouldn't be holding my breath once I'd stuck the letter in the post box. I can't see it featuring heavily in the Brexit discussions.

Incidentally, I'd be interested to know if all the offending stickers in Roger's car were current ones.

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RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:16 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: eribanaut wrote in post #20
I'd probably have to take the windscreen out.
Dave

I'm sorry Dave - if I'd read your previous post properly instead of skimming it and seen the bit about the holder being factory fitted I wouldn't have said what I did.

My bad.

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#23

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:32 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: eribanaut wrote in post #16
We have something like the Tickettack factory fitted on the driver side of the Skoda, does this mean an automatic fail when we get an MOT in 3 tears?
Dave
Does the bit in bold (especially the red bit) help? It's from the Sunday Times a couple of years ago:

"Q. A few years ago I had a camera fitted to my windscreen so I would have video evidence in the event of a collision or fraudulent insurance claim. Previously this has caused no problem at the MoT test, but before my most recent inspection my garage removed the device, saying my car would have failed otherwise. Why is this, and would refitting the camera be breaking the law?
RW, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire

A. The Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (Vosa, now replaced by the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency, or DVSA) wrote to all MoT test centres in March to clarify the rules relating to windscreen obstructions, which may explain why your camera was removed. In simple terms, a car may fail its MoT if there is damage or an obstruction in the “swept area” of the windscreen greater than a 40mm diameter circle. In “zone A” — a 290mm-wide band of the screen immediately in front of the driver and centred on the middle of the steering wheel — this is reduced to a 10mm-diameter circle.

There are exceptions. Any fitting that’s original to the car cannot result in failure, and if an obstruction affects only the driver’s view of the sky or the bonnet, it’s not deemed to be a problem either. The only grounds for failure should be if the obstruction is impairing the driver’s view of the road."

You could infer that stickers right at the top and/or right at the bottom shouldn't be a problem, but then I'm not an MOT tester.

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#24

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:44 am
by Randa france | 13.258 Posts

Quote: Pepé Le Pew wrote in post #21
Quote: eribaMotters wrote in post #17
Pepe, to me the problems lies in #9 paragraph 2. This situation should not exist.
Colin
No it shouldn't, but I think it's a little bit unrealistic to hope that Bill the tester will take up the cudgels on your behalf. Incidentally, I'd be interested to know if all the offending stickers in Roger's car were current ones..

I agree totally that the MOT tester was only doing his job and that he and his mates could all see the nonsense of it all. I suspect that if the Service Manager was in work he may have "looked the other way". After all the MOT is only good until you leave their premises. In fact, believe it or not, when I took the car off their forecourt a strange new warning light came on so I turned around and took it back.

It was then that I also noticed a message on the dashboard "offside rear light bulb u/s ". Never ever seen this in the years I've owned the car. They replaced the bulb for free but it does support my point.

Incidently, when speaking with the guys in the garage they showed me just what a nonsense the MOT can be.

Last year I had an "Advisory" that my rear discs were badly pitted. However my brakes were good. I didn't realise just how bad they looked until, on a very sunny day somewhere on Europe, a friendly Dutch bloke pointed them out to me. They were obvious to see with the bright, direct sunshine penetrating the gaps in the alloy wheels.

I was so embarrassed that I determined to get them done at the next service and I had them done yesterday. However, I was advised by the MOT tester that all he could give me should I have left them as they were, was another "Advisory". This is because the brakes were still sound and the badly pitted discs still had a thickness above what is deemed to be dangerous.

Now to me, worn brake discs are far more serious than two window stickers.

Yes, Pete, the offending stickers were current, permanent and dedicated to that car and should have remained on the car for the period of its life. There were no complaints about the dash cam position just to the passanger's side of the rear view mirror and there was also no problem with the row of vignettes down the passanger side of the screen. These were the ones I first thought they were going on about.

Randa


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RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:11 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #24

I agree totally that the MOT tester was only doing his job and that he and his mates could all see the nonsense of it all. I suspect that if the Service Manager was in work he may have "looked the other way". After all the MOT is only good until you leave their premises.
How could it be anything else?

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #24
They replaced the bulb for free but it does support my point.
What point? That the MOT is only any good at the time of testing? As I said above, how could it be any other way?

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #24
Incidently, when speaking with the guys in the garage they showed me just what a nonsense the MOT can be.

Last year I had an "Advisory" that my rear discs were badly pitted. However my brakes were good. I didn't realise just how bad they looked until, on a very sunny day somewhere on Europe, a friendly Dutch bloke pointed them out to me. They were obvious to see with the bright, direct sunshine penetrating the gaps in the alloy wheels.

I was so embarrassed that I determined to get them done at the next service and I had them done yesterday. However, I was advised by the MOT tester that all he could give me should I have left them as they were, was another "Advisory". This is because the brakes were still sound and the badly pitted discs still had a thickness above what is deemed to be dangerous.

Now to me, worn brake discs are far more serious than two window stickers.
That's a subjective view. I wouldn't disagree with it, but it's a subjective view nonetheless. A brake efficiency test forms an objective and quantifiable part of the MOT, so as long as the car passes that and the discs and pads are not worn below the prescribed wear limits, it doesn't matter what they look like. Hence the advisory.

I don't agree about it being a nonsense.

And for what it's worth I've never had a problem with a dash camera at MOT time either, despite it being mounted within the swept area of the screen for obvious reasons. Having said that, it was mostly tucked behind the rear view mirror, and the part of it that wasn't was only blocking my view of the sky, as per that article.

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#26

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:30 am
by Randa france | 13.258 Posts

Glad I caught you in an agreeable mood Pete.


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#27

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:38 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Randa france wrote in post #26
Glad I caught you in an agreeable mood Pete.
I did think about agreeing with you in the interests of peace and harmony and because you've got more knobs than I have, but only for the most fleeting of moments.

I just couldn't bring myself to betray my principles

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#28

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:32 pm
by PooleDweller | 754 Posts

The following is taken from a Gov MOT Special Directive directive 02/2014 that was supposed to make things clearer. Having read a few items in the last 20 minutes ar so there is continual reference to the swepted area - like the swepted area must be clear of stickers etc. I haven't seen any regulations that says what can or cannot be in the unswepted area. Oh yes any dangling furry dice are a no no. In a diagram I came across that depicted the swepted area in the bottom right corner, in front of the driver, a small rounded area encroached into the swepted area - for what I ask myself.

Any way just thought I'd add something to the discussion. But I think if your stickers were not in the swepted area they were wrong to remove them. Your thoughts gentlemen and ladies?



Item 3: View to the Front

To clear up some confusion when considering ‘view to the front’, from receipt of this special notice you should consider the following before failing for damage or obstruction within the swept area of the windscreen.

From the driver’s seat, check the view of the road through the swept area of the windscreen. Only fail the vehicle if there is damage or an obstruction -

 in zone A, greater than a 10mm diameter circle and which materially affects the driver’s view of the road.  in the remainder of the swept area, greater than a 40mm diameter circle and which materially affects the driver’s view of the road.

Note: Where any damage or obstruction does not impair the driver’s view of the road, the vehicle should pass. If it only affects the driver’s view of the sky or the bonnet then this is not to be considered a reason for rejection. This is a general assessment of driver’s view – you are not required to speculate on the effects on tall or short drivers. Any manufacturer’s original design characteristics are to be accepted.

The inspection manual will be amended at the next available opportunity.


[b]So what does the Inspection Manual, mentioned above, tell us[/b
Robin


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#29

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:32 pm
by Bryn | 1.027 Posts

what's quantifiable ?

Just watched a programme on the A1 motorway patrols, the cars they drive have stickers, cameras and allsorts ( not bassetts) on their screens, what's that all about??????


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#30

RE: MOT time.

in Anything that's not Eriba-related. Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:55 pm
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: Bryn wrote in post #29
what's quantifiable ?
Why the grumpy face?

It just means something which can be measured, that's all. In this context, it's braking force.


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