Entrance door closure problem - solved.
Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:20 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
Some time ago we discussed how to make the entrance door close more tightly onto its seal. This was a problem because, unlike in a car, the striker plate is fixed and therefore cannot be moved to adjust the door fit. I've been pondering how to overcome this and now, after a bit of experimentation, appear to have solved the problem.
I reasoned that had I been able to adjust the striker plate, I would have moved it slightly inward so that the latch pulled the door further into the frame. Therefore, if I added some metal to the inside edge of the alloy striker or some plastic to the flat side of the latch, this would have the same effect.
After some thinking, I decided that modifying the striker plate would be easier and originally came up with the idea of attaching a piece of alloy using a couple of small countersunk machine screws in tapped holes drilled in the striker.
I discussed this idea with my friendly gunsmith/engineer who said, "Why not bond it on with special epoxy? It will be much easier." So that's what I've done, and it works.
Unfortunately I didn't take any 'before' pictures but all I did was to cut a template from a piece of card and then transfer the outline onto a piece of alloy angle that I had lying about in my workshop that looked to be about the right thickness. Mine measured 2.89 mm but if you are experiencing the same problem you may need a different thickness.
I then tried the latch from inside the caravan to see if it would close with the metal held in place with my fingers. When I was satisfied that all was well I filed the metal smooth and then filed a chamfer on the leading edge to help the latch ride into its new location.
After roughening up both surfaces, I mixed a very small amount of Evo Stik Metal Epoxy, glued both surfaces and pressed the new piece into position. Clamping proved impossible due to the curved surfaces on the striker but the adhesive held the parts together unaided and within five minutes it was safe to handle.
As a precaution, I smeared some silicone grease onto the inner edge of the modified striker and the flat side of the latch and it works! The door now closes and locks smoothly and is held tight and solidly into its frame.
Result!
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RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:28 pmby Ray Lawrence • | 671 Posts
That's interesting. I read your post a couple of time too realise that you wanted your door to close more closely.
It looks like you have a door flyscreen as does my 2007 Triton 430 and I have the opposite problem in that my closure is a bit tight and I have to push quite hard for the door to latch properly. OK from outside but not so good at night when pulling the door shut from inside.
2007 Triton 430GT - Seat Ateca 1.4TSI petrol manual
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:45 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
It wasn't until I took the caravan for a chassis service a year ago and JohnE commenting on it that I realised I had a problem with the door. It's possible that at some time in its life it was caught by the wind and slammed back, distorting the hinge in the process.
I've heard of people removing their door and bending it over their knee in order to make it fit better but I decided that that was a bit too crude (and scary) for me.
I'll admit to being a little nervous when I went to unlock the van this morning having had visions of the door being glued or seized in position but all was well. The latch operates as smoothly as it has always done so I'm very happy with the results of all my fiddling about.
To make the door fit more loosely it would be necessary to do the opposite of what I did and file metal off the inboard edge of the door striker plate. It might not take much effort to achieve the desired result.
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RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:16 amby Ray Lawrence • | 671 Posts
Just had another look and now I can see why mine is different. My latch is engaging over the fly screen side channel.
If I just push the door in and engage just the striking plate the latch doesn't extend far enough and it cannot be locked, either with the key outside or the manual knob inside. If I pull or push the door hard the latch is able to extend fully over the fly screen channel and I am then able to lock it.
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Picture on left is fully closed, on the right not quite, unable to lock.
2007 Triton 430GT - Seat Ateca 1.4TSI petrol manual
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:19 amby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
Crikey! That is weird, Ray.
I've just had a look at mine and it looks as though someone has started to modify yours by cutting the edge of the flyscreen channel above the black-marked area before perhaps chickening out? It looks like the intention was to remove the area that prevents the latch engaging on the striker.
I'd be tempted to carefully file the edge off the channel that is preventing the latch from engaging with the striker. It shouldn't adversely affect the operation of the flyscreen.
On our caravan, the distance from the outer edge of the striker to the edge of the flyscreen channel is 13.7mm. What does yours measure?
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RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:44 amby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
PS
Alternatively I suppose you could shorten the plastic latch slightly so it can extend further from its housing and enable the lock to operate. We are probably only talking about a couple of millimetres so it should be an easy job.
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RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:20 pmby Ray Lawrence • | 671 Posts
Thanks Aaron, I now have a cause, solution and fix
Being very inquisitive, as you might have guessed by now from previous posts , I took the whole lock apart.
It turns out that the lock was not fitted centrally to the hole in the door thus moving it closer to the door frame than standard. To shorten the latch would require the removal of about 4mm which I thought was too much. So, my solution was to spring the fly screen channel away from the striker plate by about 3mm and also shorten the latch by about 2 mm.
I found a suitable springy plate of about 3mm and did enough work with a file with the lock insitu to remove just enough for a snug fit. We'll see how long it lasts
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Left pic snug fit, middle pic 3mm gap, right pic off centre lock mounting
2007 Triton 430GT - Seat Ateca 1.4TSI petrol manual
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:20 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:19 pmby Ray Lawrence • | 671 Posts
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:57 amby 2eZero • | 18 Posts
So I've had something similar on my 2018 530.
The external door doesn't always close fully, and sometimes I have to pull it that much more to fit.
This is how it's supposed to sit when closed.
But when I close the door the latch doesn't move all the way in and instead pushes the striker plate inwards.
So I'll often get something like this if I just pull it closed. The striker plate is being bent away.
Older Eribas had an additional screw to hold it in that which mine does not have. These images below were taken from the Eriba owners group somwhere to illistrate my problem.
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 22, 2024 10:55 amby Inspecta_Gadget • | 334 Posts
Sitting outside our 530 on a lazy Saturday morning (ok, nothing special about Saturday, they’ve all been lazy) I had a quick look at ours.
The front if the latch plate curves around the door frame to take most of the load from the closing door and the screws seem to be too far away to help much with that; I think they are intended just to stop it falling off.
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As you will see in the next shot, our lock doesn’t align exactly in the centre of the striker plate even though the door alignment is ok at the moment. (It does drop over time).
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I would try to adjust the screws while the plate is pushed hard up into the door frame. If the screws aren’t steady enough to hold it there, then you could raise or lower the plate and re-set with new screw holes.
Alternatively, the 3rd screw looks effective. - the plate really needs to be pushed in tight to start though.
It should be a warning to everyone though-to not slam the door! :-)
Hope this helps. Good luck.
Steve
Hyundai i30 Estate pulling “Little Flo”, a Troll 530.
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 22, 2024 11:57 amby Steve and Debbie • | 1.108 Posts
RE: Entrance door closure problem - solved.
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:04 pmby Inspecta_Gadget • | 334 Posts
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