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Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:41 am
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Not me (though I'm carrying a bit more timber than when I was a twenty five year-old racing snake); the caravan.

I know that we've got a maximum weight we can go up to (combination of unladen and payload and MTPLMs and MIROs, Giros and Biros), but sometimes I wonder if I should be looking at this from the other end of the telescope.

You could argue that loading up to a maximum permitted weight is just an excuse to carry stuff that, if you were being hard-nosed about it, you really don't need.

While we were packing before - and unpacking after - a proper nice long weekend in the Shropshire Hills it struck me that we've kind of lost sight of the quintessential joy of chucking a tent, a couple of changes of clothes and two pairs of walking boots into the boot of the car and heading off somewhere or other.

I'm not suggesting aiming to take the same amount of gear as a bloke about to set off on an epic solo transcontinental pushbike journey, because you buy a caravan precisely so that you don't have to rough it.

What I'm really thinking about is striking a happy medium between what appears to be your average WWB owner's attempts to take a slightly smaller version of his house (and everything in it) on holiday, and the tent and spare pair of pants approach.

We take stuff that we are unlikely to ever need, just because we can. We take clothes and never wear them all. We take food and never eat it all, and if we ran out we could go to a shop and buy some more or go to the pub. We take tools that I'm unlikely ever to use just in case we need them. Am I really likely to want to waste my holiday tinkering with something which could wait until we got home?

When all's said and done it's difficult to imagine what could break or fall off which would make the caravan less comfortable than a tent. Even if the roof stuck down all you'd have to do is stoop, and you have to do that in a tent all the time.

We take a spare torch.

Why do I take a spare torch?

Because I can.

Do I need a spare torch?

No, I don't.

I take a jack in case we have a puncture. When we bought the van it had a pair of those Kojack jacking points attached to the chassis. Sadly the Kojack bottle jack itself went walkabout at some point prior to us taking ownership, so I scoured eBay for a replacement. I got one at a good price, treated it to a change of hydraulic fluid and now it sits in its nifty black plastic case under one of the front benches.

Unused, heavy, and entirely likely to remain so. If I had a puncture at the side of a windswept Beattock motorway or on the M6 in the pissing rain and the dark, am I likely to attempt to change the wheel myself?

Am I buggery. I'd call Green Flag to do it, because we've got cover, and that's what they do.

So bearing both that and the statistical likelihood of a caravan tyre puncture in mind, why on earth am I carrying a jack at all?

Because I can.

But that's not a good enough reason, and I'm not going to any more. And I've sort of come to the conclusion that I need to apply this to what we carry in general.

And less weight is good from all points of view. Less unnecessary stuff to pack and carry and an easier life for the car. It's all very well having every nook and cranny filled with stuff we might need, but almost without exception that stuff is still cluttering the van up precisely because we didn't need it.

Now that's bad enough at home, but in the van it don't make no sense at all.




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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:42 pm
by hob (deleted)
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Interesting stuff Mr P and to some extent I have to agree, there is no point in taking stuff that will not be used. To that end I have a box of things in the garage that I don't take any more, I sometimes look at them and think do I need this stuff cluttering up the garage ( but that's another story)

However there is a strange side of me that carries what I want rather than what I need, like teddy bears a broom handle and some candle lamps etc.
So I guess one persons clutter is another persons joy.

I must say I never found any joy of any kind with a tent and only ever had one in the days before I could afford something better.

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Won't that make him unhappy?

I guess we are all different but it would be boring any other way.


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:08 pm
by addisb | 184 Posts

Good interesting points above..:
My better half and I motorcycled throughout several countries for our holidays for many years. 2 x panniers, a Top box and Tank Bag and we managed somehow to bring everything, including 'everything for the good lady'. It is said that you can fit all that you need but not all that you want. So we are now as a result very disciplined in what we carry..NOT.. Guilty as charged.. Having this space available now is all too tempting and we are only new to caravanning. Extra pair of shoes( or 2 or 3) Mattress Topper! Tools I don't really need, etc. but I think that the overall weight is not pushing it, at least I hope not. If I tell her good self to jettison the Topper, 'hair Driver' and the other luxury items I will next have an advert in the For Sale section.
I have just made a bracket to mount a tow ball on the front for a pair of bicycles so I will have to get down and serious about the total weight now. I think I can only load to a max of 100 Kgs.? I will have to do the maths and ask the nice forum folk to double check the nose weight numbers for me. I see a packed car boot on the horizon!
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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:09 pm
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: hob wrote in post #2
However there is a strange side of me that carries what I want rather than what I need,
You've said what I meant to, Nev

The things I want to leave are things I think we need but common sense and logic say we don't.

The jack is the best example I can think of, but it also applies to redundant or duplicate tools and extra torches. Things that simply never get used, nor are ever likely to be.

We still take daft stuff with us, but that's the stuff that makes it all fun. Things like flags, and lights, and I'm quite taken with the idea (in an ironic kind of way) of having a couple of artificial potted palms or little bay trees by the door. They don't cost much, and weigh even less. A couple of pretend Corinthian columns with polystyrene busts of Vespasian or Caligula in the awning are a possibility too, not least to make it feel a bit less empty in there.

I suppose you could enjoy having an orange bottle jack, but once you've pumped it up and let it down a couple of times, that's about it.



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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:33 pm
by Deeps (deleted)
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Quote: addisb wrote in post #3

My better half and I motorcycled throughout several countries for our holidays for many years. 2 x panniers, a Top box and Tank Bag and we managed somehow to bring everything, including 'everything for the good lady'. It is said that you can fit all that you need but not all that you want.

If I tell her good self to jettison the Topper, 'hair Driver' and the other luxury items I will next have an advert in the For Sale section.

Chris


Must be a woman thing. The penny still hasn't dropped with the OH that she doesn't need to take half of the Imelda Marcos shoe collection along - especially high heels - when touring the Alps and where fur lined boots would be more appropriate. Not visible in the picture is the recess where the fuel tank would normally be on a sensible bike but which now nicely accommodates yet another rucksack into which even more stuff is packed.
A couple of days after I took this picture we r/v'd with some friends touring with their car and off-loaded half the stuff only to replace it with newer clothes purchased along the route.

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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:39 pm
by hob (deleted)
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see she even packed the flagpole


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:59 pm
by Eribanut | 2.026 Posts

Nice pole !


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:59 pm
by Chris_and_dogs (deleted)
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I do wonder about awnings, too, as, unless you plan on spending a lot of time on-site, they are a lot of extra weight and trouble. I'd rather just unhitch, put the steadies down and spend the time enjoying the local countryside (unless it's tipping down with rain). No flagpoles, high heels and hair-driers here !


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:38 pm
by mr_underhill | 688 Posts

Apart from the obvious fact that two folks make it easier to put up a full awning, and I go alone,I find it easier to just put up a sun awning. :)


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:59 pm
by Frantone (deleted)
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Pete, we saw inflatable palm trees outside a tent at a site last year.
I'm thinking a bag of sand, blow up palm, a coconut or two, turn Riverside into a tropical paradise. 😎


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:01 pm
by Randa france | 13.261 Posts

Quote: Frantone wrote in post #10
Pete, we saw inflatable palm trees outside a tent at a site last year.
I'm thinking a bag of sand, blow up palm, a coconut or two, turn Riverside into a tropical paradise. 😎

Oh and no Eriba is complete without a flock of pink flamingos.

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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:23 pm
by Ray Lawrence | 671 Posts

Why worry so much!
If you are within the weight limits of your van /car combination what's the problem?
A few tiny percentage points on fuel economy, so what?
I prefer the insurance of having anything I need to suit the majority of camp site problems. I want it fixed now not when we get home several days later.
I will gladly put up with a few decimal points in fuel consumption so that I can carry a good selection of tools and bits to ensure the smooth running of my holiday.

We are all different and have a different tolerance of a relaxing holiday. I know what I like and that is all that matters to me :) :)


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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:39 pm
by eribaMotters | 5.590 Posts

I think the economy savings may be smaller than you expect.
I towed a 1000kg Triton, 1300kg Troll and 900kg Familia with my last car, a diesel Touran. Whether the vans were empty or fully loaded for a month abroad my mpg differred very little on a long distance run.
The only things that differ now when I go away are whether I take the bikes, awning, how many chairs/tables and quantity of food and clothes. I leave everything else in the van.

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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:00 pm
by Pepé Le Pew | 2.752 Posts

Quote: eribaMotters wrote in post #13
I think the economy savings may be smaller than you expect.
I'm not expecting any economy savings. The less weight a car tows, the easier its life.

I'm not expecting miracles.

It's a talking point, that's all.

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RE: Losing weight

in Anything Eriba-related Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:02 pm
by Poptop320 | 2.631 Posts

I have been on many a site and regularly hear vacuum cleaners on the go in the WWBs we have a small pan and brush....


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