Water in options
I've had a search through th Forum for info about filling an onboard water tank and see there appear to be 2 options. Watering can or submersible pump. The watering can option is proving slow and requiring many trips to the tap, so I'm pondering what my options would be using a submersible pump as we don't have a power socket next to the water inlet. Has anyone worked round this already? Is it pushbike to extend the power cable on a pump and plug it in inside the van? Is there a simpler method?
RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:39 amby Keith and Sue • | 79 Posts
We have the submersible pump and the power socket next to the water inlet. The couple of times we used it we found it to be fine.
But................it really depends how much water you use. A full tank lasts us at least 4 days , and nearly a whole week if we use site washing-up facilities. For the last year we've left the pump and aquaroll at home. It takes 5 trips to the tap with a 2 gallon watering can to completely fill the water system and it's job done.
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I understand some of the new vans have an on board built in water tank, however most have one or two 20 L plastic containers like this.
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I guess if you want to pump water in you will need something like an aquaroll to get the water to the outside of the van, if you want to cart one of those around and have somewhere to connect a pump (usually 12 V) thats fine.
However a lot of people don't want the bother of carting one around so if you are not young and fit enough to carry a 20 L (20 Kg) container back and forth to the tap then the solution (for me anyway) is as you mention a watering can, two or three trips will get enough into the tank to get you started then every time you wander off to the site loo take the can with you and fill it up on the way back usually keeps it topped up for me.
Using a small piece of garden hose taped to the can spout makes it easier to pour into the container.
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A water tank does not need to be full to work, as long as there is enough in the tank for the pump to be in the water, I don't think mine has ever been more than half full, as long as its topped up regularly.
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RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:01 amby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
We use the watering can method and for us it takes three trips to fill the container under the sink that serves the sink and washbasin taps. You can carry the container to the tap but water is very heavy to lug around and you might find some sort of folding trolley useful if you decide on this method.
As the official water carrier, I don't find using the watering can too much of a chore and depending on water use, I find I usually fill up every three days or so.
We use the site facilities for washing up and personal hygiene so the onboard water is used almost exclusively for making tea, cooking and teeth cleaning.
If you attach a length of hose to your watering can, you can fill the water container under the sink without spillage and without having to remove it.
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EDIT: Great minds think alike, eh, Neville? Our container (from memory) holds17 litres
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our container is fitted other way,to hobs first picture, the pipes were long enough on our eriba to have the opening t' the cupboard door, (can buy a length to suit from jandi Al and other places)
we normally put pump in sink and toddle off to tap with container.
although last year we just used a water filter jug and superkettle, leaving the water system free. The site had a kitchen sink outside with hot water. .
a sink area in toilets and a dedicated sink with a door for teeth ablutions..
having container other way allows for a shoe box for your tinned prunes, spuds, peas, tomato, peaches, dates, custard powder, jam,
sure covered everything lol
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RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:11 amby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
What are the advantages of a permanent onboard water tank as opposed to having a Whale-type submersible pump dropped into an Aquaroll and plugged into its external connector?
This business of how you fill that onboard tank seems to crop up every now and then, and every time it does I can't help thanking serendipity that our 540 came with the latter system, even if we had to get our own roll.
I appreciate that most people on here buy second hand and manage just fine with what they've got (or change it), so I suppose another way of putting the original question is why would you specify the permanent onboard tank option if you were buying new?
The cons would appear to me to outweigh the pros by some considerable margin, but it may well be that I'm overlooking something blindingly obvious.
Am I?
Cons:
The tank eats into storage space.
It's awkward to fill unless you're within a hosepipe's length of a tap or stop by one on the way on to site. This is obviously less of an issue if you enjoy pottering round the campsite with a watering can at regular intervals.
You can't tow with the tank full of water, not least because at a kilo a litre, water is heavy stuff. Presumably that also means you have to drain it or pump it empty before breaking camp.
I haven't looked, but I imagine that like most options it isn't a cheap one.
You can't take it out to give it a really good Milton every now and then.
Pros:
You don't have to carry an Aquaroll type thing with you and have to find somewhere to put it while in transit.*
The water supply is secure from wildlife and someone thinking it would be a proper hoot to drop something unpleasant into your container.
And that's all I can think of.
For comparison's sake, the pros and cons of an Aquaroll/drop-in pump:
Pros:
Easy to wheel back from the tap, even with 40 kilos of water in it.
Easy to remove for periodic sterilisation and what have you.
More fixed storage space.
Cons:
You might find that the occasional very small animal has decided that the stresses and strains of life are more than it can bear and opted not to call the Samaritans first.
You look a bit of a chump taking a barrel for a walk every couple of days, but no more of a chump than wandering round with a watering can or paddling over to the sewage disposal wearing Crocs and tugging a plastic suitcase full of sh*t.
*And where you put it in the van while in transit isn't really a major issue. Yes, it's a rather awkward thing, but it doesn't weigh much empty and since you don't travel in the van with it, it doesn't get in the way.
Have I missed the point of an onboard tank somewhere?
In the interests of being fair I feel as if I must have.
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yy-R56kh
I don't think you have.
As for carrying the empty aqua roll ours fits nicely in the washroom.
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RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:26 amby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
Quote: Frantone wrote in post #9We tried carrying ours in there too, but it bounced around and knocked the door open.
I don't think you have.
As for carrying the empty aqua roll ours fits nicely in the washroom.
That wouldn't be difficult, mind - I wouldn't choose to lock myself in the bathroom as a place of last resort in the event of an attack by hordes of crazed Bailey owners.
Our Aquaroll travels standing under the front table, secured by a long bungee and the table leg. It seems happy there even though it can't quite see out.
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RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:52 amby Magpie • | 675 Posts
We thought of having a permanent onboard tank fitted as an optional extra when we ordered our van, but decided against it for all the cons reasons given above. We had one on an earlier smaller van and thought it was a pain to have to tug along the Aquaroll as well. We use a blue Fiamma water carrier - smaller than the Aquaroll but it slides nicely under the caravan alongside the similar grey waste tank. (Actuall at the last site we stayed each pitch had an individual tap so it would have been possible to fill an onboard tank with a hose - when that happens on every site we visit maybe we'll have one fitted, but then I'll have to limit my selection of shoes!)
Here it might be useful to define what an on board tank is?
I understand there is an option for a built in tank under one of the seats? I have heard of them but never seen one or what is supposed to be the method of filling the tank.
The other (what I think of as a normal on board tank) is shown in my pic in an earlier post and I have two of them, one under the kitchen sink and another under the bathroom sink.
So not all installations are the same.
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RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:32 pmby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
Quote: hob wrote in post #12I didn't mean onboard as in a container under the sink kind of thing, Nev. We used to have one of those in the 230 we had. That was actually quite easy to get out and re-fill because it had its own little door to the outside.
Here it might be useful to define what an on board tank is?
I understand there is an option for a built in tank under one of the seats? I have heard of them but never seen one or what is supposed to be the method of filling the tank.
The other (what I think of as a normal on board tank) is shown in my pic in an earlier post and I have two of them, one under the kitchen sink and another under the bathroom sink.
So not all installations are the same.
I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear in the post above - I'd tried to by saying permanent onboard tank. To the best of my knowledge these have a fixed external filling point pretty much like the fuel filler on a car, though I might be wrong about that.
I'm not trying to be disparaging about one kind of tank over another. I'm simply trying to get my head round why you'd want a large, permanently-installed, permanently-plumbed and effectively non-removable tank inside the van.
Or, for that matter, why a permanently-installed waste tank might be a good thing, because I think you can specify that too.
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yy-R56kh
RE: Water in options
in Anything Eriba-related Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:46 pmby Randa france • | 13.240 Posts
Quote: Pepé Le Pew wrote in post #13
[To the best of my knowledge these have a fixed external filling point pretty much like the fuel filler on a car, though I might be wrong about that.]
Something like this:-
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I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear in the post above
I wasn't specifically aiming my post at you,just trying to clarify things in general.
I have as I said never seen a built in under seat type set-up so have no real idea of how it would work, with my 2 sink set-up it would I guess need a lot more pipework and as you speculate some sort of external filler cap?
I did have a quick conversation with someone who had one and commented on the loss of storage area under that seat but I guess you would gain more space under the sinks.
I don't know what the capacity of these is either? or if there is a drain facility to empty them or maybe just run the tap until its empty?
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