Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:47 pmby hob (deleted)
Its not my best subject but someone else may be able to tell from a photo if there is a charger fitted, it just occurred to me the reason the battery is low may be the absence of a charger.
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:13 pmby Taffy (deleted)
OK, popped out and did a pic. This is what Dom has fitted for me and he said it would charge up when on EHU and advised me to charge it up when idle by plugging it in when parked up which I have done. However I have only had it on overnight or for a few hours once or twice a month more in the winter.
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:32 pmby hob (deleted)
As mentioned Its not my subject by a long way but here is your picture back
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No 1 looks like a power supply from the hookup
No 2 May be a battery charger ?
No 3 I have no idea but the switch on top looks to be in the off position
No 4 obviously is the battery
No 5 looks like an isolater switch for a mover
May be worth contacting Dom to ask for more info
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:46 pmby Pop540 (deleted)
wonder if the switch box '3' in hobs amended picture is a booster for car charging the leisure battery
is car wired to charge caravan battery and run fridge while towing?
makes me wonder if loo pump works if 13pin plugged into car..
the battery may still be under warranty if found to be at fault, of not holding charge..
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:58 pmby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
Quote: hob wrote in post #34For what it's worth, Nev, I reckon you're spot on with those.
As mentioned Its not my subject by a long way but here is your picture back
No 1 looks like a power supply from the hookup
No 2 May be a battery charger ?
No 3 I have no idea but the switch on top looks to be in the off position
No 4 obviously is the battery
No 5 looks like an isolater switch for a mover
Number 2 is definitely an after-market battery charger - one of these. The Eriba BIP in the other picture is the bog-standard non-battery charging affair.
Number 1 is effectively a double-socket extension, one socket of which is in use by the charger using that grey continental plug.
I think number 3 might be an alarm. The toggle on the top is the sort of switch that low-volume specialist manufacturers use, and that multi-connector isn't the kind used in the standard Eriba wiring.
Number 5 is the isolator for the mover.
It'll be a shame if that battery is buggered - those Optima batteries are supposed to be top bits of kit, and they're pretty expensive.
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:39 pmby Taffy (deleted)
The item 3 is a switch that when moved position allowes the electric off the battery to be used when put to the on position, when off nothing inside works to draw power from the battery. If on EHU then the switch doesn't matter as EHU seems to bypass the need to turn the switch to on as it all works off the power.
I shall try a hook up for a 24 hour to charge it up, and see how it loads. Chatting about this to someone he suggest I check if the mover works as that would require far more power to generate than the toilet pump. He also said something technical that was way over me and said that it could be the pump will only work when on EHU and something about AC and DC power supply to the pump.
RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:49 pmby hob (deleted)
Zitat
He also said something technical that was way over me and said that it could be the pump will only work when on EHU and something about AC and DC power supply to the pump.
I'm certain its a 12 volt pump, I'm fairly certain mine works when hooked up to the car without the engine running (I E working off the car battery)sure I must have used it in a layby in an emergency a few times.
Will test that in the morning when I hitch up to go home.
Might be worth you trying that to see if it works off the car battery.
Mains is AC battery is DC if that helps you understand better.
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:15 amby hob (deleted)
Had another look at the first picture ............ the battery has 2 wires on each terminal
The thick red and black will be the high current leads for the mover
The thinner red and black presumably power the internal electrics when not on hookup
i don't see the charger leads going to the battery? have a look see where the wires from No 3 go
There will be a lead between there and No 1 the power supply and another lead providing the charging power I'm probably wrong but its worth a look
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Looking back its just over a year since I was at poppyland last June, I remember you collected the triton a week or two before that. I get my triton serviced once a year so if you have not had a service yet it might be useful to have one, get the whole van checked over and the engineer will go over the battery and charging circuit as part of the service.
Edit
Looking at the charger again there are 2 little battery symbols on the top with led lights next to them a grey one and a white one, if its charging the grey one should be lit the white one I think should come on when fully charged?
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:23 amby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
When on ehu check the voltage across the battery terminals. If the charger is working it should read 14.5v or higher if the battery is discharged. If not, your charger isn't working or isn't connected.
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:44 pmby hob (deleted)
Zitat
I'm certain its a 12 volt pump, I'm fairly certain mine works when hooked up to the car without the engine running (I E working off the car battery)sure I must have used it in a layby in an emergency a few times.
Will test that in the morning when I hitch up to go home.
Tested as above, works ok from the car battery
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:31 amby Taffy (deleted)
When on EHU the grey battery light is on so it must be charging. Will plug it in for a full day or two to top it up and let you know how I get on. Thanks for the help.
RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:49 amby Taffy (deleted)
I have as advised looked at the grey box and it is a Reich 12v trickle charger and additional battery. when plugged in to the EHU I have taken the battery reading and even when on that the battery still reads low although it started to jump up within minutes to go to 11.7 and not 11.5 as it was.
I tried the mover when off the EHU and they did rotate which I think is due to the Reich Impulse as it is a direct battery in itself. Now I have tried to leave it on EHU but have put the rocker switch to on to see if that was is in some way isolating the Leisure battery as I have been leaving it turned off when on EHU.
Spoken to Dom who has suggested I check my wiring and a few other pointers to try to resolve the issue as the kit he fitted is all as it should be and highly reliable, so I am wondering if I am not doing something correctly. The battery he fitted was also a really good one that he doubts if it would have failed in such a short time even if discharged due to the battery type it should recharge up OK when I work it out.
This has now gone form a Toilet problem to a Battery problem
RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:51 amby Pepé Le Pew • | 2.752 Posts
Quote: Taffy wrote in post #43Hello Taffy
I have as advised looked at the grey box and it is a Reich 12v trickle charger and additional battery. when plugged in to the EHU I have taken the battery reading and even when on that the battery still reads low although it started to jump up within minutes to go to 11.7 and not 11.5 as it was.
I tried the mover when off the EHU and they did rotate which I think is due to the Reich Impulse as it is a direct battery in itself. Now I have tried to leave it on EHU but have put the rocker switch to on to see if that was is in some way isolating the Leisure battery as I have been leaving it turned off when on EHU.
Spoken to Dom who has suggested I check my wiring and a few other pointers to try to resolve the issue as the kit he fitted is all as it should be and highly reliable, so I am wondering if I am not doing something correctly. The battery he fitted was also a really good one that he doubts if it would have failed in such a short time even if discharged due to the battery type it should recharge up OK when I work it out.
This has now gone form a Toilet problem to a Battery problem
I had a look at the specification for that Reich charger. It doesn't have an internal battery (for one thing it's too small to accommodate one which would be of any use); what it does is provide a secondary 12v output in addition to the charging function, but only when on hook-up.
I would disregard that for the purposes of working out what your problem is.
The charger will recognise a flat battery (as yours is) and attempt to charge at its full whack of 14.4v. Once the battery is fully charged (12.7v) it will cut the charging voltage to a trickle or maintenance charge of 13.2v.
If you aren't getting 14.4v (or something very close to that) across the battery terminals when the charger is connected to it (and you're on EHU, obviously) then there's either something wrong with the charger, something disconnected that shouldn't be or something which is supposed to be switched on which isn't.
At anything less than 12v a battery is dead, to all intents and purposes, and before trying to use anything which is supplied by the battery (especially anything motorised which has a high current draw) you need to get it to a point where it holds a stable, full charge (12.7v, ideally) for a couple of hours minimum after disconnecting the charger.
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RE: Thetford Toilet Impeller Pump Jam - Solution
in Improving your pride and joy and how to fix things Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:21 pmby Aaron Calder • | 3.834 Posts
When we had our BIP failure in France shortly after buying the van in 2011, I was advised to buy a car battery charger and while on EHU connect it to the battery terminals and plug it into one of the wall sockets. This worked beautifully and enabled us to keep the battery charged for the rest of the holiday. On our return I had the BIP repaired and later replaced it with a more modern system.
If you have access to a battery charger (a 3-way smart charger would be best) you could try this on your van and see what the voltage is across the battery posts when connected. If 14.5V initially and dropping to 13.8V after a few hours, all is well with the battery and you will need to investigate your on-board charging arrangements.
It sounds to me as though you a) don't have a suitable battery charger fitted or b) you have one but it is not switched on or the fuse has blown.
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